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Hi, I'm new to the concept of computer-as-DAW, and delving into this stuff has been a major headache!
Here is my situation: Blue and White G3, 400mhz, OS 10.2.8 USB Quattro Audio/MIDI interface Outboard hardware synths, mixer, effects Here is all I want my computer to do: Sequence external hardware synths with a decent piano-roll style sequencer. Record 1 or 2 audio tracks at a time (The synths, being controlled by the sequencer) Control basic levels, panning of audio tracks, and be able to copy audio. Send audio tracks out for processing by external effects. I DON'T expect my computer to do any virtual instruments, audio effects, or even EQ. I'm having a terrible time finding any software that meets these simple (I thought) requirements and runs well on my computer! I've looked at all the major programs. The new Cubase stuff has VERY high system requirements. Protools is too expensive. Logic is a possibility, but $299 is a lot for what I would use it for, also I have my doubts it would run well on my computer. I tried Intuem, but it was unsatisfactory I was really hoping that Tracktion would be a solution, but the MIDI seems not to work with my machine. Anyway sorry to bring up all this OSX stuff in the OS9 forum. My question right now is this: In 1999 my computer was top-of-the-line. In 1999 people were using Macs to make music, and I believe they were able to do those simple things I stated as what I want to be able to do. Maybe what I should do is go back to OS9, (It would have to be 9.1 to work with my audio interface) And find an old version of a program that would run well and do the basic things I want it to do. Is anyone else doing something similar? Am I just confused? Does this make sense? I would REALLY appreciate any suggestions! Thanks -max |
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 Sat 7 Feb 2004, 04:38
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I've got the same one, in Panther, but I will not even try music software on it… save in OS9.
you're a bit slower and the GUI is eating your CPU like mad, it can be used for internet and little things, but nothing really serious like desktop publishing or music. Quartz is too heavy. Check for a 9.04 or 9.22 and software accordingly it'll run much more smoothly. If you decide to keep an OSX somewhere… Don't use your OS9 for classic (remove the "classic" named files in the system folder) and keep OS9 in an other partition. You can also check for CPU upgrades, the ones frm gygadesign are the more music friendly. -------------------- Our Classifeds • Nos petites annonces • Terms Of Service / Conditions d'Utilisation • Forum Rules / Règles des Forums • MacMusic.Org & SETI@Home
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Sun 8 Feb 2004, 22:16
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 24-Jan 04 From: Id - US Member No.: 33,931 |
(thanks for the reply)
mm.. I was afraid of that. Well, I guess I am going back to 9 then. I've thought about CPU upgrades, but it seems to make more sense for me to just save for a used G4 with a newer Bus and whatnot. Too bad Apple doesn't make a "minimal Quartz", eh, without the fancy appearance.. but I guess that wouldn't help the sales of new machines 
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Fri 13 Feb 2004, 04:46
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Moderator In Chief (MIC) Group: Editors Posts: 15,189 Joined: 23-Dec 01 From: Paris - FR Member No.: 2,758 |
QUOTE (squishedtoad @ Feb 8 2004, 22:16) Too bad Apple doesn't make a "minimal Quartz", eh, without the fancy appearance.. but I guess that wouldn't help the sales of new machines sigh…  I DO agree
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Fri 13 Feb 2004, 06:39
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 70 Joined: 01-Jul 03 From: Framingham - US Member No.: 20,523 |
QUOTE (squishedtoad @ Feb 5 2004, 20:46) Here is all I want my computer to do: Sequence external hardware synths with a decent piano-roll style sequencer. Record 1 or 2 audio tracks at a time (The synths, being controlled by the sequencer) Control basic levels, panning of audio tracks, and be able to copy audio. Send audio tracks out for processing by external effects. I DON'T expect my computer to do any virtual instruments, audio effects, or even EQ. Max, Metro SE ($69) or Metro LX ($129) will do all those things plus perhaps a VST instrument on your computer. While you should easily be able to get 1 or 2 audio tracks, your audio will probably be limited by the speed of the USB bus. You could always use built-in though if you need more audio tracks. |
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Fri 13 Feb 2004, 10:52
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I'll second Metro SE. If you find you still can't do what you need, you could run it in OS 9 as well.
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 Thu 26 Feb 2004, 23:14
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The B&W is a great tool, but I agree, I would stick with OS 9.2 or earlier depending. I had an old performa that died on me, (and the thing was only 12 years old) but I got an old 350mhz iMac that I downgraded to 8.6 and run MasterTraks Pro on. OSX is a beautiful OS but it is a CPU hog when it comes to older machines.
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Thu 26 Feb 2004, 23:46
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Fri 27 Feb 2004, 00:31
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I AGREE THAT METRO WILL FILL YOUR NEEDS.
I AM RUNNING METRO 6 ON A LOMBARD G3/333MZ WITH AN OXYGEN 8 FOR MIDI INTERFACE AND USING INTERNAL-DLS SOUNDFONTS AND VST PLUGINS FOR AUDIO SYNTHS I AM USING OSX 10.2.8 W/320 MEG OF MEMORY I THINK METRO WOULD RUN OK ON YOUR B & W GARY -------------------- 1.25mhz MacMini--OS X 10.4.3-Metro 6.3.3--M-Audio keystation 49e--Oxygen 8 Controller--M-audio Firewire Solo--Fernandez Strat--Fender Jazz Bass--Fender Precision bass--Epiphone Acoustic--Roland MA-12 Micro Powered Monitors
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Fri 27 Feb 2004, 01:48
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 08-Jan 04 From: San Francisco - US Member No.: 32,729 |
QUOTE (gkdoty @ Feb 26 2004, 23:31) I AGREE THAT METRO WILL FILL YOUR NEEDS. I AM RUNNING METRO 6 ON A LOMBARD G3/333MZ WITH AN OXYGEN 8 FOR MIDI INTERFACE AND USING INTERNAL-DLS SOUNDFONTS AND VST PLUGINS FOR AUDIO SYNTHS I AM USING OSX 10.2.8 W/320 MEG OF MEMORY I THINK METRO WOULD RUN OK ON YOUR B & W GARY Metro would work, especially if you're wise about the sounds you choose, using soundfonts whenever possible. |
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