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JusClownin
post Fri 31 Mar 2006, 22:28
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Hi guys. Wasn't sure if this was the best forum for this, but here goes.

As a hobby, a friend and I record vocals on random instrumentals of recordings that we usually find on CD singles at the record store or on the net.

They are pretty humorous and have little or nothing to do with the artist who created the instrumental. We want to create site where we can share our renditions with the public for free. We both have full time careers and have absolutely no interest in selling these songs, not that anyone would buy them, or making profit off the site. It would be fully funded by out of our own pocket and we wouldn't have any advertisers. Just a personal site.

Does anyone know if we'd run into any legal problems by doing this? Like I said, it's just a hobby. Basically, we're just two old friends from high school that get together maybe 3 times a year, drink and have some fun jamming on these recordings. They are by far from "great" quality, but they're actually not so bad, for what it's worth.

Anyway, any input or advice would be great. I just fear having some big-wig artist or label sue us for something so trivial.
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abcdaniel
post Wed 5 Apr 2006, 16:14
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coldharbour, I think we could go on forever... wink.gif

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There's a lot of things people can't afford. I'd like to record in Tokyo with Trent Reznor producing


True, I should have written:

We can't afford to make the music we have the right to make.

Music, like all other arts, are part of public dialogue in our society. We have the right to use it. Quotations and collages are ok in other arts and dialogues, and it is ok in music too. Money or no money.

It might be nice to regulate sampljng, so that no one would feal cheated, just as playing cover songs and dj:ing is regulated. As far as I know, you cannot refuse someone to cover your song, as long as they don't do major changes to it. You will, however, get all the underlying work royalties, but the recording royalties goes to the covering artists.

That's where the 20% to sampled artists fit in. To provide some moderation betwen creativity and the providers of pieces used creatively.

I mean, you don't have to ask permission to play and cover a song (at least in Sweden we got the right to cover everything we want, globally, except in some very important instances), why would you have to ask permission to sample?

It would be really f'ed up if George Bush should cover one of my songs, but he hasn't got the right to do so publicly. You have to ask permission from us, if you want to use our works for religious, political, commercial or pornographic purposes. At least if you're a member of the Swedish right-holder associaiton. If this is a concern, check with your own organization.

That fine the Italian dj had to pay really makes my blood boil. That is witch-burning. It is such a petty crime compared to much other. 2000 mp3 files, that's maybe 20 000 EUR in retail vinyl at most, and if he has reported his playlists, then the artists on his harddisk would have recieved royalties anyway. 1,4 million EUR in fines!!! Copyright legal fanatism at its worst.

Happy musicmaking! biggrin.gif
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- JusClownin   Legal Or Not?   Fri 31 Mar 2006, 22:28
- - kaboombahchuck   Sound to me like you would run into copyright infr...   Sat 1 Apr 2006, 01:48
- - JusClownin   Yeah, maybe it's pointless. I'm just wond...   Sat 1 Apr 2006, 02:56
- - lepetitmartien   The question is "does it goes under the ...   Sat 1 Apr 2006, 03:53
|- - zooot   QUOTE (lepetitmartien @ Sat 1 Apr 2006, 02...   Thu 12 Oct 2006, 18:31
|- - zooot   QUOTE (zooot @ Thu 12 Oct 2006, 17:31) QU...   Tue 17 Oct 2006, 13:04
- - straydog   Well I was in a cover band playing in a local bar ...   Sat 1 Apr 2006, 11:09
- - Mac Daddy   You can't just take peoples music! Stupid...   Sat 1 Apr 2006, 16:41
- - prrcomm   Doesn't matter money or no. I own 30 copyright...   Sat 1 Apr 2006, 16:48
- - lepetitmartien   This kind of problems are ALWAYS better solved bef...   Sat 1 Apr 2006, 18:53
- - abcdaniel   Uh, hmm, wtf? Music is about expression, wether it...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 03:33
- - JusClownin   Mac Daddy, whoa, sounds like the anti-depressants ...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 06:22
- - hahaworld   3 things (briefly): 1. Copying music is illegal w...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 06:25
- - abcdaniel   Yeah, well, I was a bit drunk when I wrote that la...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 10:12
- - Mac Daddy   Like I said: This is plain dumb. Stupid. You are...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 10:27
- - straydog   Thou shall not possess what is, by its own nature,...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 11:14
- - JusClownin   It's good to know there are actual people who ...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 13:21
- - prrcomm   Let's extend this f**k the law concept. Given...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 17:49
- - JaMen   "Oh, and Mac Daddy, for someone harping on or...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 19:04
- - abcdaniel   The law prohibits us from making certain music. Th...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 21:53
- - banevt   copyright laws? When an object of art is exposed ...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 22:02
- - JusClownin   I'm sorry to have started such a dialogue here...   Sun 2 Apr 2006, 22:12
- - lepetitmartien   To get back on the problem sui generis, as long it...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 02:06
- - coldharbour   QUOTE (abcdaniel @ Apr 2 2006, 02:33)On a sid...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 09:25
- - straydog   Things would be simpler if artists could just solv...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 11:24
- - abcdaniel   No, PE didn't get their samples cleared and pa...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 11:25
- - Mac Daddy   You have got to be the most dumb person on Earth. ...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 11:56
- - straydog   QUOTE (Mac Daddy @ Apr 3 2006, 10:56)"No...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 12:09
- - Mac Daddy   I'm old enough to be Diddys daddy and your dad...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 12:45
- - straydog   Now I understand... it has been your huge egoism t...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 13:49
- - lepetitmartien   QUOTE (straydog @ Apr 3 2006, 12:24)LepetitMa...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 19:17
- - straydog   So, France is under copyrights confusion too... In...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 20:53
- - abcdaniel   Maybe we as musicians, composers and producers, sh...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 22:09
- - straydog   Check out this interesting link: Pirate party Ha...   Mon 3 Apr 2006, 22:37
- - abcdaniel   Being Swedish and all... yeah, the Pirate Party is...   Tue 4 Apr 2006, 00:16
- - lepetitmartien   I won't comment on the social issues in France...   Tue 4 Apr 2006, 03:03
- - abcdaniel   In Sweden we have a new law since july 2005, that ...   Tue 4 Apr 2006, 10:01
- - coldharbour   QUOTE (abcdaniel @ Apr 3 2006, 10:25)No, PE d...   Tue 4 Apr 2006, 11:22
- - straydog   "When you make a recording deal or a publishi...   Tue 4 Apr 2006, 12:53
- - kaboombahchuck   Just a bit of info for those that don't want t...   Tue 4 Apr 2006, 14:22
- - abcdaniel   Oh, i was wrong about PE not having the samples cl...   Tue 4 Apr 2006, 16:02
- - JusClownin   Just another question to toss into this bucket: D...   Tue 4 Apr 2006, 21:14
- - kaboombahchuck   Most clubs where DJs and cover bands play pay fees...   Wed 5 Apr 2006, 00:25
- - prrcomm   I've found this conversation stimulating, to s...   Wed 5 Apr 2006, 01:22
- - coldharbour   QUOTE (abcdaniel @ Apr 4 2006, 15:02)But anyw...   Wed 5 Apr 2006, 11:53
- - straydog   A few remarks: There are decent people everywhere...   Wed 5 Apr 2006, 13:12
- - JusClownin   To me, money corrupts culture. Yeah, yeah, I know...   Wed 5 Apr 2006, 19:05
- - zooot   when the clever part of your work was the clever p...   Thu 6 Apr 2006, 12:36
- - uvbnskoold   Ummm... yeah. You don't wanna know what I thi...   Wed 31 May 2006, 01:53
- - Mac Daddy   QUOTE (zooot @ Thu 6 Apr 2006, 11:36) whe...   Thu 12 Oct 2006, 18:50


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