The Latency Problems In Logic Pro Options

[Jsegura]

When it is going to solve the problem of latency Logic Pro? When you record from a Bus, you are more time synchronizing with the original track that recording the new track. Logic, you must be to the height of the word Pro! You are not so self-sufficient. It corrects the basic errors as timing and the latency, please! By the way, I had to contract super agent 86 to obtain update 7.1. In the Canary Islands Apple Store does not work. The traditional distributors of Apple, are not trained with
musical software. The old distributors of Emagic did not have the product. Certain air of paranoia is breathed.

This post has been edited by Jsegura: Fri 17 Jun 2005, 16:50

[camarao]

Here in Portugal I'm waiting for Logic Pro 7.1 since April...

[jaffi]

You would be talking about Delay Compensation. It is fixed in Logic 7.1, but with a few catches. SOS has an entire article on it in there new July issue. Check it out.

[Jsegura]

What I want is that Logic solves of once this problem. THEY ARE BASIC PROBLEMS, that Logic does not have to allow, if it wants to be to the height of the word PRO. How it is possible that the audio decompensated recorded through a Bus does not return to its site? That does not have excuse.
Logic: You want to be number one? Then it solves this one problem.
I hope that Yamaha tightens with Cubase, and Logic wakes up of that state of paranoica pride which it seems to have entered. How it is possible that in Portugal it does not obtain to a user version 7.1?

[camarao]

What I want is that Logic solves of once this problem. THEY ARE BASIC PROBLEMS, that Logic does not have to allow, if it wants to be to the height of the word PRO. How it is possible that the audio decompensated recorded through a Bus does not return to its site? That does not have excuse.
Logic: You want to be number one? Then it solves this one problem.
I hope that Yamaha tightens with Cubase, and Logic wakes up of that state of paranoica pride which it seems to have entered. How it is possible that in Portugal it does not obtain to a user version 7.1?

No lo se !

[Jsegura]

No lo se !

Drunkenness of success. Self-sufficiency

[gdoubleyou]

Huh?

Read the manual!!!

[Jsegura]

Read the manual!!!

I am working with Logic from version 3. The problem of Logic when you record from a Bus or another track with many plug-in, mainly Waves, Audio ease, and others.. and the delay that takes place in the new track, be necessary to fix it manually, it does not have anything to do with the manual!!! you can put all the signs of admiration that you want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the fact that a user in Portugal has not obtained version 7.1, I do not know if the manual has some section to explain it.

This post has been edited by Jsegura: Mon 20 Jun 2005, 17:23

[gdoubleyou]

When you get 7.1 you will discover Full Plugin delay compensation. Not sure why you are trying to record from the bus.

[Jsegura]

When you get 7.1 you will discover Full Plugin delay compensation

He is insufficient. Mainly with plug of greater consumption. Test L3 of Waves and Periscope of Audio ease together and you will obtain a delay of 30 milliseconds more or less. In version 7.0 it was of 300 milliseconds. When I have 8 tracks of guitars and I want to apply to all 6 plugs determined, you pass the 8 tracks through Bus 1, inserted in this one the 6 plug, and you send it and record there to a new track. The resulting track, you have it to synchronize by hand.
The delay is not always the same one, but always it happens. Imagines if you use the 64 Bus. If Logic put a function that automatically returned the audio one to its site, this problem would finish.
While it does not solve it, to Logic exceeds to him the word PRO.

This post has been edited by Jsegura: Mon 20 Jun 2005, 19:00

[JulienGB]

Hi guys

There will always be some latency problems with digital audio workstations. They will just reduce with the time, that's all. I had similar delays with PROtools TDM system too ... At the end of the manual, they give all the latency time in sample numbers. And it can be pretty long with some plug ins (yes ... Waves plug ins for example). For recorded audio tracks, it is easy to compensate. But in the case of direct monitoring thru plug ins (when you record) and real-time routing (like in the busses), there's no solution yet I'm afraid... apart from increasing cpu speed and reducing DSP consumption.

This post has been edited by JulienGB: Tue 21 Jun 2005, 12:23

[Jsegura]

It does not matter to me what Protools does. I use Logic, and have paid by him. Therefore it is to Logic to that I must to him demand. He is unacceptable that in a program like Logic, the latency that listening when you record through a Bus, must fix it by hand and your ear. While this is thus, Logic will not be a professional program.

[JulienGB]

I meant it's the same problem for ALL DAW, professional or not, Digi or native ...

If routing and timing are essential for you, I suggest you buy an analogue type mixer.
I've heard that SSL and Euphonix make "almost"-pro equipment ...

[Jsegura]

I do not agree. Timing is not so difficult to solve. The audio one must return to its site. With Creamware I do not have that problem, and it is not indeed a modern system. He would be peculiar that Logic said to him to its users who if they want routing with the 64 Bus, it buys a SSL.

Gabriel, make me one supplies.

[JulienGB]

Have you tried bouncing your busses in solo, instead of recording them in real-time ?
Then you should get a clean and tight audio file ?
I don't know if it can help in your case ... but maybe.

And you know what ? Peter works with Logic Pro too !!!

[Jsegura]

Sometimes the impediments let you grow. Your recommendation is an example. I continue thinking that Logic must solve this problem. But your answer is intelligent. I do not imagine to Peter fighting against the latencies in its Real world. But everything is possible, and now more.

[JulienGB]

Maybe Peter or his engineer would probably fix it manually and nobody in the room would imagine there was a problem ?
And even more ... maybe it is better in sync with the groove, when manually fixed ?

[Jsegura]

The better is fixe automatically without losing the possibility of doing it manually. Because indeed, sometimes he is better to do it manually. But Logic always forces to you has to do it manually and this means times to waste time, and others to cut your creative rhythm.

[gdoubleyou]

I ALLWAYS bounce from the busses, never thought about actually recording them. The result would be the same, after you adjust for recording.

Also when I'm bouncing from the busses, it's during the mixing process.

[JulienGB]

I ALLWAYS bounce from the busses, never thought about actually recording them. The result would be the same, after you adjust for recording.

Also when I'm bouncing from the busses, it's during the mixing process.

Exactly.

[Jsegura]

Often I want to record in a track which I have recorded from 10 tracks through a Bus, with 10 plug in. The new track can have up to 500 milliseconds of delay, with respect to original 10 tracks.This happens in version 7.1. In Portugal the delay is of 1 second. Hi camarao, how are you? Logic must solve that!! We return in the beginning. We are going away to turn frippertronics.

This post has been edited by Jsegura: Tue 21 Jun 2005, 17:41

[Jsegura]

In addition the monitoring is pure imagination.

[mortalengines]

This may be helpful....I have never tried it -my plugs are cheap & latency free- I have read that the work around for this problem (by a guy who "mixes in the box" with Pro Tools TDM) is to never send any signal out directly thru the master buss.... All un-effected tracks (ie- not going thru Waves Compressor plugs) get routed thru a buss of their own with a delay (time set to compensate for the latency in the plug in question) - this was to deal with phase issues mostly, I think, & usually set around 5-15 milliseconds- give 'er a go.

[B3 Basher]

I am of having much of the problems that Jsegura is of having. I am writing my presence on this forum with use of a rudimentary program of translation that without fortune, makes my posts sound like strangers. At what timeframe will they at Apple make such translation worthy of our embrace? I have no passion or care for other translators. It is my translation software that must be made to look shiny in the sky using fluffy cloths.

[Jsegura]

Thanks honorable university professor of the great language. In the forum I speak of music and the instruments to do it. It pardons to hurt your deep feelings. They are really deep. You have illuminated my life. History will be divided in before and after of your wonderful post.
Brilliant! You really create to know my problems? Knowledge. Too great.

[B3 Basher]

I wasn't trolling J, just adding a bit of humour to the constant rantings of your misgivings of Logic.

You're a player. Go play your guitar, give up on the idea of monitoring whilst you record with 10 plug-ins and get real. Otherwise spend a whole heap of money on expensive outboard, plug yourself into that and give us all a break. You are asking your DAW to process in realtime billions of 1 and 0's, if you didn't expect latency, then you ask too much of the laws of physics.

As for the PDC being on 'ALL' when you record - We all know about it! It's on the known issues page of the Logic Support site at Apple. It's a bad fix which the Emagic/Apple team will no doubt solve in a few months but for now, we live with it. Perhaps you could too?

Thanks for your obtuse insult - I shall cherish it like a filligree hampster and call it Basil.

This post has been edited by B3 Basher: Sat 25 Jun 2005, 16:30

[Jsegura]

It is a risk of joking with which you do not know. Also it is to give him advice it. I have not insulted to you, and less still of obtuse way. You have been mistaken. If you feel insulted, the only thing that I can tell is that i'm sorry. I play the guitar with 10 plugs, and I do not have problems. I am not speaking of that. In any case thanks for your advice, your mistakes, it greets your hampster and watch the skies.

This post has been edited by Jsegura: Sat 25 Jun 2005, 19:06

[B3 Basher]

Cheers and keep playing the guitar. I like your work Mr J. I'm off to put Basil in the Ratatouille.

[Jsegura]

Cheers too and good luck.

[OneDerBoy]

I am of having much of the problems that Jsegura is of having. I am writing my presence on this forum with use of a rudimentary program of translation that without fortune, makes my posts sound like strangers. At what timeframe will they at Apple make such translation worthy of our embrace? I have no passion or care for other translators. It is my translation software that must be made to look shiny in the sky using fluffy cloths.

That's goddamn brilliant! You, my friend are bloody hilarious!