Mac V's Pc Options

[Synthetic]

BOZE.... no offense man but where does it say I never had a PC not to mention when I say Macs.... I am not just talking about OSX... I will assume like you did... that you only know OSX and never worked on older Macs with OS9 because it seems to have escaped your ranting and raving criticism. Is that fair?

let's quit "assuming" we "know" people on this board and address the issure not the people talking about it

this forum lately has gotten very personable for no reason than others wanting to attack other's opinions and views rather than actaully "discuss" topics If this continues... I am off to find better pastures to graze with less BS to step in.

[boze]

oh goodness...
::: folks who are on topic can skip this post as it doesn't relate to the posters original question :::

synthetic- it sounds like you took a bit of offense there, partner.

i'd appreciate it if you could refrain from personal attacks and criticisms. imagine that my comment was voiced in a softer tone, okay? please don't describe me with terms like 'ranting', 'raving' and 'bs'- that's not appropriate and it's not the kind of discussion forum you yourself want. casting doubt on my experience is similarly unnecessary- i've been using macs for audio since os8 but that doesn't relate to this thread. i spoke specifically to osx in my earlier comment because (although i know that lots of folks are still making entire careers in os9) i think it's too much to expect a new buyer to be expected to run anything other than osx for audio if he/she decides to purchase a new mac.

i'm not trying to suggest that you don't have meaningful advice. your first comment just sounded speculative since you didn't mention any specific or general experiences of any PCs in your life getting taken out by virus's. i was suggesting that speculative advice was less useful than experience and that a fear of virus's was kind of a vague thing to factor into a platform decision this early in the game for a newbie. i'm not dissing you or trying to disparage you as person- just saying that the 'no virus's' argument is pretty tangential imo. i meant no offense as i said immediately after that comment in my post. there were no personal attacks either before or after that comment and none were intended. everybody value's your contributions to this board, synthetic. lets keep it that way

[Synthetic]

Boze... "ranting and raving" is not a "personal attack"... its a description of one's dialog whether in forum or person to person. Now as for the speculation with your experience.... I guess you didn't catch my sarcasm as it was simply made as a comparison to the statements made about my lack of work on a PC... see, you assumed because i didn't list my life's resume of computer experience that I was not familiar with PC's. So, I assumed you were not OS9 experienced because you only mentioned OSX.... sure its not relevant but it makes a point. "People should not assume they know everything about a person from a little post on a forum."

So yes i was a bit offended by your judgemntal view of my post just because I didn't list the fact that I had operated a college computer lab for 2 years with about 30 macs and 20 PC's plus I take care of my grandfather's Dell. Not to mention i had old 486 that I was happy to get rid off. So rather than dispute my claims because I am supposedly "someone who doesn't have first hand experience with keeping a windoze box virus free"... (gee this sounds more like a personal attack than "ranting" & "raving") why not just state your opinion and assume you know nothing about the person whom you disagrree with. THIS IS THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE. YOU ASSUMED and made a judgement which was wrong. Maybe it seems to you like I over-reacted but... you should really look at it both ways as if maybe I said something about your lack of experience on the mac didn't warrant your opinions you stated. But... because I don't know you or abour your experience... I would not do this. Make sense?

Boze, I am not saying you are a bad guy (I don't know you so I will not jjudge or assume) but I wouldn't attack your advice based on what I DIDN't KNOW about you. I just felt that your comment about my lack of PC experience was uncalled for. And as for the "BS"... that wasn't a "personal attack" either... that is just what I thought of being judged, As professional as the team likes to keep this site... I don't think 2 letters are gonna sour this forum anymore than judging people. I mean come-on... it was directed at no one because again... it what used TO DESCRIBE MY OPINION of the situation. I have seen this in other posts too (not just by one person).

So with that being said... no hard feelings but I do hope you will think next time before casting off judgement about one's experience, life, or knowledge based on what they DON'T tell you And for the anyone not involved in this... sorry for all the crap but felt something needed to be said

we are all here to help and get help... just as some may think its not productive to squalbble and bicker... I say its not productive judging other's credibility without all the facts. I'm done... let's move on just as life does everyday

[boze]

wow- what a post. i don't know what to say! i think i understand now how 'ranting, raving, bullsh!t' is not really a personal attack. that was just a description! you were _helping me! trying to teach me!! it seemed to me that you had over-reacted, but at the heart of the matter was this: based on an unqualified assumption i made a judgement: that was my mistake! i assumed that you didn't really have a lifetime of experience which _proved that virus's are the ballance of power in the Mac Vs. PC debate today!

worse, withouth thinking (which i'll surely do next time!) i cast off a judgement and attacked the advice of an experienced and helpful member of the forum. understandably you were a bit offended- but you took the time to clarify your point so we could be spared of further bickering. now i realize it was my ignorance of your holistic experience and my failure to catch your sarcasm that led me to make assumptions and judge your credibility without all the facts.

i vow to never again assume i know everything about someone from a mere forum post.

thank you for not judging me or attacking my advice, synthetic. by your example i am learning how to contribute in a meaningful way toward the edification of the macmusic.org membership.

[Synthetic]

Boze... now I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not

either way... no biggie and please don't think of it as I was trying to teach you anything... I just wanted to clarify what I was upset about and even though it seemed like I was "fueding mad" over it... it wasn't that big of a deal but you know how some things in communication get lost when not seeing the person you are chatting with (facial expressions etc.) so I try to explain things as best as possible and I type 70-100 words a minute depending on my mood so that is reason for the length... also that was from home... I usually leave smaller posts when at work due to time thus reason for not mentioning my experience in my first post on this topic

Anyways... let's just say we are understood and no bitter feelings or anything... cool ?

[Synthetic]

ohh... and just to add to the actual topic... when I was working our computer labs... viruses were more of a problem on the PC's than Macs. I only remember dealing with a couple viruses on the 30 macs we had but there was a time when about half of the PC machines were down and sometimes at once. People were bringing 95% of them on floppies from home. Some had installed hacked games and some had just not even known their computer at home was infected and brought in files that that carried the viruses. We used Norton Antivirus eventually and kept them updated... problems went down but there were always a few that Norton didn't catch.

I work at a newspaper... so i read paper daily and MS is constantly in headlines about a new security hole in Windows or another software app they make or about a new worm or virus that attacks Outlook Express or Office and such. I still can only recall once reading about this with Apple OS's maybe twice but once for sure.


And my last reason I own a Mac over a PC is the adding on and upgrading issues. Everything I buy for my mac works with just plug and play and maybe driver installation... no biggie. I have delt with buying "cheaper" drives, modems, and such for PC's only find out they require a computer science graduate to make work with other manufacturer products. I tried to add a 36.6 modem in place of a 14.4 and could never get sound to work right with new modem... had to got back to 14.4 to make it work again. Recently, a friend with a Gateway was ranting and raving about this new CD burner he got for his computer for like $25 new at BestBuy... had it for 2 months and never got it to work right with computer.

This brings to the point of the cost issue. Sometimes you get what you pay for (not always and yes you can find bargains). If you are going to compare an Apple to a PC in price.... at least compare it to a IBM model and not a clone like Dell etc. IBM uses good quality components just as Apple does and actually... their prices are not that much different only maybe just a bit more speedy cpu's now.

Software is same way... there are TONS more software for PC's yes... most of it not worth bothering with unless you are into games... meanwhile the most all the major music apps cost same when made for both systems unless a store is overstocked and has a sale on one cpu version. Most any good app that comes out on the PC is eventually ported to the mac as well.

This post has been edited by Synthetic: Sat 25 Oct 2003, 01:46

[lepetitmartien]

Worth to know on this thread:

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We're supposed to talk about Logic/Cubase and the advantages to be using logic on X over cubase on PC/macs

I'm sure our friend here knows certainly much more on viruses than we do, but viruses are definetly not musical things.

Can we KEEP to the MUSICAL aspect of things? please

(you can't go to IRCAM, Paris following a day on free Linux musical software without a religious discussion on angel gender arising in the EN forums

[lepetitmartien]

Advantages of logic

- tightness
- midi total control
- completly customisable to user needs (The Environement alpha and omega in Logic, a bit violent to learn but way far into supreme power extravaganza)

Abd yes (when the thread was still on its head) DP is a good choice too. deep enough, maybe more for the people who don't want to delve into the environement. tightness wise as tight as Logic so it's tight.

Sorry if I started something off here with my initial post.

Anyway thanks all for the advice

[vahtryn]

I would like to just make a few things known on the mac vs pc debate. It's much like the Linux vs *BSD debate us unix admins tend to get in on the subject of free operating systems.

They're equally as good, equal in faults and when you get down to the nitty gritty it's all about how you have your machine configured.

As for the security aspect of windows vs mac there really is one thing going for Mac. The general populous does not use it as much as windows. When you have something that pretty much everybody and their grandmother uses that's where the kiddies are going to attack.

Simple things can keep you from getting viruses and exploited. Grisoft offers a free A/V that's great. Keeps everything off as long as you keep it on auto update.

Microsoft in it's later releases (2k and XP) you can have autoupdate turned on. Unless you're running a server where certain service packs can break applications this is a great thing to turn on. Keeps your machine up to date.

Just doing those two simple things will keep your machine from getting hacked for the most part. Just because you have a Mac does not mean that you are more secure, just means less people are trying to release things that affect you.

-maz