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Tue 10 Apr 2012, 10:57
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C'est quoi un drone en musique ????
Et moi je profiterais bien du passage de Laurent Petitgirard pour exposer un cas personnel.
Je suis arrangeur (diplômé SACEM), spécialisé dans le jazz vocal, pour groupes vocaux ou chorales. Chaque fois que je veux déposer un arrangement d'un standard de jazz ou d'une chanson française il me faut l'autorisation des ayants-droits ... ce que je n'obtiens JAMAIS. En effet la SACEM m'oriente vers les représentants des ayants-droits, c'est à dire à tous les coups Universal, BMG, Sony, etc... La réponse (quand il y en a une) c'est : "Monsieur (Trénet, Salvador, Parker, Davis, etc...) ne cède aucun droit d'arrangement." OK, j'en ai pris mon parti, je dépose séparément les parties originales de mes arrangements, ce qui représente en général plus de 50% de la durée de l'arrangement. Mais je ne peux pas protéger la partie d'arrangement du thème original, ce qui de fait la rend automatiquement utilisable par tous. Or ces arrangements vocaux sont très convoités étant donné le nombre de chorales en France. Comment faire donc pour les protéger, car je ne parle pas de rétribution, ça j'en ai fait mon deuil.
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Tue 10 Apr 2012, 12:22
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Citation (ericlc @ mar. 10 avril 2012, 11:57)  C'est quoi un drone en musique ???? Olivier Calmel avait donné, sur un autre forum, un exemple de drone que l'on peut trouver dans le catalogue d'une des plus grande librairie française c'est bien entendu, un exemple parmi d'autres . Citation ("Olivier Calmel sur compositeur.org") http://www1.playkos.com/pages/viewcd/viewcd.cfm?cdnum=6433 14 Powerful Action Trailer 24 World Crisis 34 Destruction Game 47 Global Disaster 58 Maximum Alert après, on pourra trouver aussi des drones de fabrication plus complexe, qui demandent beaucoup de recherche et de développement. mais je pense qu'aujourd'hui, on peut déposer à la sacem, sans trop de problème, une note tenue pendant 1 mn d'un générateur de sons prémachés comme absynth ou omnisphère .... Cependant, ce débat risque de nous entrainer dans un autre problème, lié au code de la propriété intellectuelle, sur la notion et la définition de l'auteur d'une oeuvre au XXI ieme siècle je prierai donc à quelqu'un qui voudrait aborder ce sujet, de bien vouloir ouvrir un autre thread
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Tue 10 Apr 2012, 13:37
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Olivier Calmel avait donné, sur un autre forum, un exemple de drone que l'on peut trouver dans le catalogue d'une des plus grande librairie française c'est bien entendu, un exemple parmi d'autres . Citation ("Olivier Calmel sur compositeur.org") http://www1.playkos.com/pages/viewcd/viewcd.cfm?cdnum=6433 14 Powerful Action Trailer 24 World Crisis 34 Destruction Game 47 Global Disaster 58 Maximum Alert après, on pourra trouver aussi des drones de fabrication plus complexe, qui demandent beaucoup de recherche et de développement. Bonjour , Si tu avait pris le temps , toi ou olivier d'analyser la chose tu aurait vite vu que les titres que tu cites sont des versions alternatives de titres plus global . Et ce n'est pas la version drone qui est déposé mais sa version complète . Je sais que c'est toujours plus facile de taper sur les librairies mais les temps changes et ceci est fort bien expliquer sur un cet article ci- joint http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=8075 ;-)
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Tue 10 Apr 2012, 14:14
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Citation (fredsans @ mar. 10 avril 2012, 14:37)  Bonjour ,
Si tu avait pris le temps , toi ou olivier d'analyser la chose tu aurait vite vu que les titres que tu cites sont des versions alternatives de titres plus global . pardon fredsans ! j'aurais du prendre directement : cet albumde toute façon, il suffit de taper "drone" dans la database de cette librairie, et il y a plus de 500 files.... http://www1.playkos.com/pages/category_sea...search.cfm?autoCitation (gill @ mar. 10 avril 2012, 14:15)  À chaque époque ses outils. Un outil par définition reste neutre. Si l'outil est en adéquation avec le projet c'est parfait. L'outil trouve son utilité s'il sert dans un projet (désolé d'enfoncer des portes entrebaillées). Je crois que l'arrivée du piano forte à sonné le glas de l'épinette, parce qu'on n'a plus écrit pour elle. Et alors. À ce jour beaucoup d'outils "font" à notre place, et il semblerait que ce soit ton reproche, mais j'oserais dire que c'est nous qui choisissons.... bon, je vous laisse, parce que si on établit un rapport entre la disparition de l'épinette des vosges et la définition de l'oeuvre de l'esprit, je crois qu'il va falloir demander au législateur de re écrire le code de la propriété intellectuelle...
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