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Bonjour,
J'ai envoyé un mail a la Sacem pour avoir ces infos mais je ne resiste pas al'envie de poser ma question ici (et de plus ça pourra servir a d'autres probablement). Voilà, j'habite en dehors de l'europe et je me posai la question s'il est possible de déposer ses oeuvres a la Sacem a distance ? J'ai un peu cherché sur le net mais j'ai rien vu la dessus ![]() ![]() En tous cas ça serait quand même bien pratique non ? :-) Bonne semaine a tous&Toutes. -------------------- "La théorie, c'est quand on sait tout et que rien ne fonctionne. La pratique, c'est quand tout fonctionne et que personne ne sait pourquoi. Ici, nous avons réuni théorie et pratique : rien ne fonctionne et personne ne sait pourquoi." (A. Einstein).
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C'est quoi un drone en musique ????
Et moi je profiterais bien du passage de Laurent Petitgirard pour exposer un cas personnel. Je suis arrangeur (diplômé SACEM), spécialisé dans le jazz vocal, pour groupes vocaux ou chorales. Chaque fois que je veux déposer un arrangement d'un standard de jazz ou d'une chanson française il me faut l'autorisation des ayants-droits ... ce que je n'obtiens JAMAIS. En effet la SACEM m'oriente vers les représentants des ayants-droits, c'est à dire à tous les coups Universal, BMG, Sony, etc... La réponse (quand il y en a une) c'est : "Monsieur (Trénet, Salvador, Parker, Davis, etc...) ne cède aucun droit d'arrangement." OK, j'en ai pris mon parti, je dépose séparément les parties originales de mes arrangements, ce qui représente en général plus de 50% de la durée de l'arrangement. Mais je ne peux pas protéger la partie d'arrangement du thème original, ce qui de fait la rend automatiquement utilisable par tous. Or ces arrangements vocaux sont très convoités étant donné le nombre de chorales en France. Comment faire donc pour les protéger, car je ne parle pas de rétribution, ça j'en ai fait mon deuil. -------------------- |
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![]() Moderateur Bouffon ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 3,894 Joined: 06-Dec 00 From: Montpellier - FR Member No.: 22 ![]() |
C'est quoi un drone en musique ???? Olivier Calmel avait donné, sur un autre forum, un exemple de drone que l'on peut trouver dans le catalogue d'une des plus grande librairie française c'est bien entendu, un exemple parmi d'autres . Citation ("Olivier Calmel sur compositeur.org") http://www1.playkos.com/pages/viewcd/viewcd.cfm?cdnum=6433 14 Powerful Action Trailer 24 World Crisis 34 Destruction Game 47 Global Disaster 58 Maximum Alert après, on pourra trouver aussi des drones de fabrication plus complexe, qui demandent beaucoup de recherche et de développement. mais je pense qu'aujourd'hui, on peut déposer à la sacem, sans trop de problème, une note tenue pendant 1 mn d'un générateur de sons prémachés comme absynth ou omnisphère .... Cependant, ce débat risque de nous entrainer dans un autre problème, lié au code de la propriété intellectuelle, sur la notion et la définition de l'auteur d'une oeuvre au XXI ieme siècle je prierai donc à quelqu'un qui voudrait aborder ce sujet, de bien vouloir ouvrir un autre thread -------------------- le heral, parce que je le vaurien
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![]() Maniac Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 712 Joined: 24-Oct 03 From: St Paul De Fenouillet - FR Member No.: 27,402 ![]() |
C'est quoi un drone en musique ???? Olivier Calmel avait donné, sur un autre forum, un exemple de drone que l'on peut trouver dans le catalogue d'une des plus grande librairie française c'est bien entendu, un exemple parmi d'autres . Citation ("Olivier Calmel sur compositeur.org") http://www1.playkos.com/pages/viewcd/viewcd.cfm?cdnum=6433 14 Powerful Action Trailer 24 World Crisis 34 Destruction Game 47 Global Disaster 58 Maximum Alert après, on pourra trouver aussi des drones de fabrication plus complexe, qui demandent beaucoup de recherche et de développement. mais je pense qu'aujourd'hui, on peut déposer à la sacem, sans trop de problème, une note tenue pendant 1 mn d'un générateur de sons prémachés comme absynth ou omnisphère .... Cependant, ce débat risque de nous entrainer dans un autre problème, lié au code de la propriété intellectuelle, sur la notion et la définition de l'auteur d'une oeuvre au XXI ieme siècle je prierai donc à quelqu'un qui voudrait aborder ce sujet, de bien vouloir ouvrir un autre thread À chaque époque ses outils. Un outil par définition reste neutre. Si l'outil est en adéquation avec le projet c'est parfait. L'outil trouve son utilité s'il sert dans un projet (désolé d'enfoncer des portes entrebaillées). Je crois que l'arrivée du piano forte à sonné le glas de l'épinette, parce qu'on n'a plus écrit pour elle. Et alors. À ce jour beaucoup d'outils "font" à notre place, et il semblerait que ce soit ton reproche, mais j'oserais dire que c'est nous qui choisissons. Dirais-tu d'un peintre qu'il n'est pas un peintre au regard de ceux du passé qui fabriquaient eux-même leurs couleurs en allant chercher des pigments dans la campagne et en faisant leur mélange "secrêt", dirais-tu que la peinture d'aujourd'hui s'est appauvrie sous pretexte que le peintre va à la boutique acheté des tubes de couleur qu'il va ensuite mélanger sur une toile, comme nous qui allons à la boutique acheter des tubes de sons qu'on va mélanger. Avant on avait un carnet plus ou moins étoffé de noms de musiciens. Quand on écrivait une partie de clarinette on appelait le premier clarinétiste sur la liste. C'était le médium OBLIGÉ, aujourd'hui.... sauf à vouloir le son particulirer de Michel Portal pour lequel on peut avoir envie d'écrire. Je me souviens encore de mon prof. d'analyse et d'harmonie disant si justement : la musique c'est d'abord dans la tête, ne composez jamais sur votre instrument car votre composition sera dépendante de votre technique on vous ne pourriez composer que ce que vous savez vous-même jouer, ce n'est pas le but et si vous étes pianiste vous ne pourriez pas composer une partie de violon ou de tuba sur un piano, mais vous devrez savoir comment sonnent ces instruments qu'elle est leur tesciture, quel sont leurs tics de jeu, à quoi ils servent dans la musique etc.. pour le reste il y a des gens pour ça ! Aujourd'hui il n'y a plus cette obigation et ça change beaucoup de choses. Bref je crois que les sociétés d'auteur sont boulversées de fond en comble par tous ces changements d'habitudes qui génèrent des changements de fonctionnement. Le tout est de savoir si on reste dans le train ou si on descent à la prochaine gare... |
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