PitchToMidi VST plug-in, comments, bugs, suggestions.... Options

[Francois Déchery]

Polyfractus just released a new plug-in: PitchToMidi.

This shareware can be downloaded  here:
http://www.macmusic.org/eng/share/sh_free_...ragan_ptm.shtml

As usually, to post your comments, bugs, suggestions, etc.... Just reply to this post!

[prutulz]

It's sounds really interesting!

Cheers polyfactus!

Will you ever make this plug for Logic? (oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, )

could you let me know - this plug would be a dream come true!

Thanks

FMheaven@shaw.ca

[castol]

logic supports vst 2.0, the latest vst standard. it should work fine. try it.

[Invect]

PLEASE make this plugin for PC.
I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it was for PC..
I really need it.
I'm sorry. I just can't afford to use Macintosh.
$3000 for an Apple G4.

- Brook E.

[dragan]

Hello there.
Here we go wih the mail from Emagic :
>Unfortunately Logic doesn't receive MIDI messages from plug-ins.<
I dont know when they will fix this problem (not with Logic 5)
But, i am working on OMS version of this plug which will fix it.

PC version, i dont know, i never did PC programing, it will take some time
Regards.

[Invect]

Dragan,

I think there's many guys online who will port it for you. Just kick up some interest over on KVR-VST forums. They've some great guys there. This happens all the time with VST's. People have their buddies port plugs. I see this on sites often; 'PC version ported by:' ..

- Brook E.
omnihil@gmx.de

Yes Logic does! I control the plugs with real-time MIDI all the time! I write alot of Trance/Techno music which requires a lot of filter and EQ sweeps - and I record these changes all in real time right from the plug-in interface and the changes are written to the song via MIDI. I can't control a plug-in from a MIDI keyboard (if that's what you meant) but the manual (direct from the plug-in interface) is no prob.

That said will this plug work for Logic or not? I thought it clearly said that it won't work for anything but Cubase.

[Invect]

Dragan,

Maybe Logic is unable to output specifically MIDI note data from plugs? But it certainly can output CC data from plugins. Just try turning the knob on a plug, and you'll have CC automation data coming from the track the plug is on. This is how automation works! Please just add an option to output the data as CC data. I can easily (in 30 seconds) convert the 7-bit unsigned CC-data to MIDI data using a single Logic environment object. Each CC value would correspond to a note.

But I think MIDI note data should work, despite what Emagic said. Sounds like a miscommunication.

- Brook E.

got it - yes a definate mis-communication

Thanks for the info fellow midiot.

Cheers!

[dragan]

Right, there is some people who can port it to PC, but it's a bit too sensitive :-)
I have to find the right guy.

About logic: Ees, only thing that logic recognize from plug are controlers (automation), the plug can't send a note on/off and other midi information from plug to the host (that's the case with PI2M and logic)
Do you remeber Orange Vocoder? Did you control vocoding with you midi keyboard? I dont hink so.
They are working on OMS version (because of LOGIC).

Regards

very good to know everyone - thanks for this new info. You guys are right about the MIDI controller info. I have only ever sent controller info to the plugs.

I hope this plus will be available soon for logic - it would be a dream for correcting (replacing) crappy drum sounds.

[geedoubleyou]

Hey Invect I never buy the top of the line box. I always wait until after a Macworld event when Apple traditionaly speedbumps. Then the previous models are discounted.

I've never paid more the $1200 for a new Mac.

Cruising along fine with 50+ tracks on a G4/400.

The next time I will get the midlevel machine so I can get a superdrive.

[Invect]

GW,

I was a diehard Mac user for a long time.
Until I could no longer afford to purchase Macs.

Here's the little problem with Macintosh.
My Pentium 4 Northwood CPU @ 2.4Ghz runs 60 Logic platinumverbs.
Dual 1Ghz G4's can run.. 18.
How could I ever go back to that?

Being on PC allows me to use Waves Renaissance EQ's, compressors, etc, on nearly every single track of a mix. Need to load 40 renaissance eqs's, 25 compressors, 4 reverbs, 16 vst instruments, some mastering plugins, 10 delays? Think up your own combination. No problem. At 1.5ms latency.
You just can't do this on a Mac.
PC's are getting more than three times the power.

Mixing on the Mac is the -old paradigm-. The old way. Heavy limitations.
With the power of a PC, it's a new way. No limitations. Use as many compressors as I need. I don't need to bounce. Working is much faster. Having this kind of power allows a different philosophy and technique when mixing.

How could I -ever- go back to Mac?
How could I?

Price of said PC.. $700.
3 X power for one fourth the price of that dual 1ghz machine.

- Brook E.

[Obineg]

Uh . . .

I'm having a real hard time routing the output to a midichannel in cubase 5, the info sheet says something like ' turn on and select midi track' .

I don't get it, is this a demo limitaion

Please give me a proper response since this is more than an interesting plugin...... I think I'm gonna stop using my key controller and hum into the mike instead (Then quantize it ! )

Regards'n Respect

BioGen

[geedoubleyou]

Invect we just have different needs.

I do a lot of work around the country, and when I travel I just take my external firewire drive and sometimes my audio card. With my apps and files on drive.

I buy or rent a Mac in that city for the duration of the project, then sell it. I get paid, I go home. When I'm on the road, I need that simplicity and elegance.

Most of the projects I work on rarely exceed 32 tracks. I'm also required to interface with Avid and Pro Tools systems.

True PC's are more powerful but, in circles that I frequent pcs are for office work.

And if I want to play with the big boys, I have to use the big boy toys.

Obineg
open up the inspecter to get more options, also in the track window under instrument.

[Obineg]

.....

'Having this kind of power allows a different philosophy and technique when mixing.'

No, it just gives you a software SSL (not the latest technology). Limitation always yields original results, You learn to improvise. Either way I don´t care if somebody likes working Audio on an IBM/Microsoft desktop machine. Question is are they doing any interesting stuff with it.

Dragan :

Guess I have to wait till you license your plug to apple.
Still not working

Cheers

ObI

[dragan]

Hello there.
Sorry for non response. Unfortunately i didn't sell PI2M licence to Apple
I dont understand why it doesn't work with your cubase,
i have checked the plug with Cubase 5 (demo) so many times and it works (other people are using PI2M without problem)
Here we go again.
Insert the PI2M plug on the audio track to convert. Set up option (FFT size, window size...)
Select MIDI track to play or record.
Start playing...
Thats all..
Hope this help.
Regards

[lucytune]

1. When will PitchToMidi be available for Logic on OS 9?
2. What pitch resolution will it detect and deliver? i.e. to nearest ? cents?
3. How does it compare in performance to my aged Vocalizer hardware unit?

http://www.harmonics.com/lucy/

Congratulation for this delicious plug-in! Dragan made a dream of mine become true! It works fine with my G4/400 MHz and Cubase VST 5.0. The only problem is that velocity values are pretty low, although my audio signal is strong enough (IMO). Dragan wrote me that he is going to implement some new feature in PitchToMidi, so i guess I´ll pay the shareware fee soon to support his work. Everybody should do it!

[dragan]

Hello there.
Pi2M plug is not compatible Logic Audio (4.XX - 5.0)
Why?
Because, Emagic didn't respect VST technologie 100%.
I am working on it, lot of work, i have to include OMS.
Pitch Resolution depend of FFT size.
Biger FFT size = finest pitch resolution, but, more CPU
Example (some fundamental:
22050 / 512(fft) = 43 Htz resolution
22050 / 8192(FFT is always power of 2) = 2.7 htz resolution.
So, second and third LUCYTUNE questions are depending of each other.
Its mean, with bigger FFT size pitch is more precise and CPU expensive.
On my G3-350 with 8192 FFT size it use about 45% of CPU.
Now, with my new G4 - 2X1G procesor it use about 15% (not optimized Velocity Engine software).
I hope this help.
Regards.

P.S. any question and sugestion is welcome

[Pitbruemm]

Dear Dragan,
I`m soundengineer an unfortunately a Logic User, so go on with your work I´ll be your customer for sure. I´m looking for a Audio to Midi Converter since long time......
good luck
Peter

[Stephen]

Here's a question.
I'm using Digital Performer 3.02 with VST wrapper.
The plugin shows up just fine, I just can't record any midi.
Man I'd pay through the teeth for a Mas version.
Is there any way to get it to work in the mean time?

Just wondering
Stephen Falk
2-Prong Studio

PS Digital Performer can receive information from plugins through midi

[lepetitmartien]

I'll pay for MAS!
I'll pay for MAS!
I'll pay for MAS!

(Sorry I should be demoing in the streets of Paris today so I'm compensating

Invect wrote about PCs being better for multitrack recording. Here´s my experience: I worked in a TV-studio with PCs only. We had an 800 MHz Pentium for video cutting and some little slower PCs for image-editing and other stuff. None of them worked more than 3 hours without a system crash. I had to finish their Internet pages at home (with my Apple G4) because nothing worked on their Windoze BS-computers for a few days. Finally the boss decided to buy a G4 double 800 MHz and all video work went 10 times faster. No crashes at all. I use Cubase 5 with 20 channels of VST instruments and mostly 10 audio tracks. About 10 effects at the same time. Show me a 400 MHz PC that is able to do that. I´ll never give a dime for buggy Windoze-stuff!

[dragan]

Hello.
I am in touch with MOTU stuff which tested PI2M with DP - IT DOESNT WORK.
That's true, DP can receive midi information from VST plug, but only CC (controllers). Same case as Emagics Logic series.
Sorry, i don't have better answer than this one. I would like to tell you that i am working on the MAS format, but that's not true.
Maybe later, for now, MOTU like Emagic seems not to be interested about this plug (i don't know why). So, they are not ready to help me in any way to make PI2M compatible with DP and Logic.
Regards

P.S. if i changed my name to Waves or TC-Works it should be different

[Stephen]

Thanks for replying anyway.
The only reason I thought DP could recieve midi information,
is because DP makes a plugin called trigger.
It's sort of a primative version of Pitch to midi.
You open up one instance of it on the audio track you wish to convert.
Then you use it as an output on the midi track you wish to record to.
It's mainly used to beef up a drum part.

[lepetitmartien]

Before changing your name for DUY, TC, BIAS or another one, why don't we write to Emagic and MOTU… ?

And before that, They don't want to help you, does that mean you need some develloper support and they don't want to ? Could you be a bit clearer upon that.

Also, OMS fine… buggy 68K stuff, condemned (when midi in X will work)…

It'd be better if we could make things move a bit at MOTU and Emagic

Stand Up! Music makers, knights of the macintosh !



ps : Djorje and Invect… Don't you think you're OT ? You'd better think so

MR. LEPETITMARTIEN, what do you mean with OT?

[lepetitmartien]

OT = OFF TOPIC

The topic is on peculiar plug in, nothing else, capice?

And now i'm here to spank the bad boys.

[Obineg]

Doesn't seem to work in Nuendo, which is strange, it's supposed to have very similar midi structure.

?

[Pitbruemm]

I wrote Emagic in German about this topic and they told me that a future update of Logic 5.0 shall be fully VST 2.0 compatible. We`ll see (or not)...
Hopefully: Peter

[olo23]

i'm giving your plugin a try in nuendo, but having some troubles. I thought it would work without a hitch since cubase and nuendo are so closely related, but i can't figure out where to assign the track to send the midi out to.

i can see the app converting the audio to midi notes, so i know it's working there, it's just routing that information to make it useful that i can't make work.

Any advice? the answer is likely staring me in the face, but i noticed someone else post about the plug not being happy with nuendo so...

if this works though (especially once the OS X nuendo is done!) you'll have my registration in seconds.

[rockum]

I think that creating an OMS instrument is the way to go... It would work with about anything.

Rock

Now I am posting my question in this older thread, as request of the webmaster, so you will see the question twice...


I'm using Cubase Vst/32 on a Mac and am trying to use the Pitch to Midi plug demo, by Polyfractus. I figure I am missing the obviously. I bet it is very simple.....
Here are the directions....
"Insert the PI2M plug on the audio track to convert. Set up option (FFT size, window size...)
Select MIDI track to play or record.
Start playing..."
Ok, so I inserted the plug on a audio insert (not an effects send). It seems to work, I can see it converting the data.
BUT, how do I select a midi track? Well, I know how to do that, duh, but how do I get it to relate ot the plug which is on an audio track?

[damann]

hi everybody!
just to say that logic 5.2 now supports streaming midi to plugins.
available any day now...

[olo23]

well it's been a few years, and I still haven't found a simple pitch to midi solution for the Mac under OSX.

Has anyone found anything for this? Ideally as a VST plugin? I see a ton of stuff on the PC but nothing on the Mac.

Any info is appreciated, thanks

[azusa]

You can find "WIDI Audio to MIDI plugin" in the software section.
I've tested it and worked well for monopolic line.

If you used DP 4.6 and above, there's feature for this which works great.

[Kwasi]

You can find "WIDI Audio to MIDI plugin" in the software section.
I've tested it and worked well for monopolic line.

If you used DP 4.6 and above, there's feature for this which works great.

Logic also has this function built-in. Open the sample editor for the audio region you want to convert, go to the [Factory] menu and select [Audio to Score]. Works okay for clear-cut monophonic material but doesn't do polyphonic stuff too well.

Melodyne is another, rather pricey option for this kind of thing, but I've yet to find a plug-in that does it, or at least one that does it for free. Haven't tried WIDI, it is quite affordable but is a VST-only plug.

This post has been edited by kwasi: Mon 6 Nov 2006, 01:12