the high end is very harsh (loud) and seems not too have anough bass for the little black box.
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are these good for electronic music?
..or just for rock/jazz/pop...
i know every high end studio has a pair, but maybe cause they record rock/jazz/pop, and not 4/4 beats.
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when i finish a track and it sounds good on them...
..i play it on a stereo and there is no bottom, and just sounds different.
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heX

First, you _can't_ sort bass from a small box, it's impossible physically.

Second, they are known aspecially for their worst possible hifi speaker available looklike. Well it's not exactly that, but the common knowledge is: if it can't be ok on these, it'll be everywhere else.

They don't have a balanced sound, they are harsh, tiring etc. But some engineers love them, other hate them, some even don't care

The main use of a monitor pair is to give an "acurate" (mark the word) vision of what's going on. It doesn't obligatory mean that it's truth, or equal, or hifi, or whatever. Neither about Electronica, tango or poppy things. It's that the engineer knows what a mix SHOULD sound like on.

quite different.

Some say and prefer NS10s or a bit more delicate monitor, other want as neutral monitoring as possible.

The room is to be taken into account (at least at high levels).

So a monitor is not (some say that, not my opinion) linked to a type of music, but to a type of ears (the engineer model BTW and a type of brain that can interpret correctly the mix thru it to make something sensible with it.

If you have them for some time, have listened a lot of (diferent) music thru it, used them for mixing, and that the result is not top notch. either you don't use your ears and brain correctly, or it's just not the monitors for you.

Btw you posted in the wrong forum, bad boy (spank spank

I think youre right about the room cause when I go lay down on the bed there is a LOT more bass...
..lots of bounce in the room i guess.

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and I use a MAC with OS9.2 and a motu2408, and ns10s.......how am I in the wrong forum?

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heX

Hu… NS10 is a loudspeaker ?

yes

Ns10 is no mac hardware ?

uh… no

NS10 is no software ?

uh neither

So why this thread was in the beginning in the Mac OS 9 forum

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Now for your room… first remember than NS10s are nothing close to a perfect balanced quiet flat response speaker. Exactly not that. That mainly why some use them so much. Second are they rightly disposed, are you mixing at equal distance from them, right down the sweet spot? Are they close to walls, corners or other flat surfaces (mixer, table…) are they standing up, or laying flat?

The room… how is it big (or small) ? The smaller, the more looking like a cube the worse it is.

Did your run some audio cd from them. It helps to know HOW it should sound from it

If you hear a LOT more bass on your bed, maybe there's a knob of standing waves resonating with the dimensions of the room (either adding like here or anulating each other)

For proper info on the placement of loudspeakers check the genelec website http://www.genelec.com/ht/faq see the last q&a. I can't tell you to check the SOS website (except if you're a subscriber) as the article on that is in his subscriber only 6 month period. But the genelec faq wil be helpfull enough. I used their insight for monitor placement ot a friend studio (with big JBLs on stands) it improved dramatically the result which was before muddy with an oversized bass to something much more clean and equal (it was just a question of 20 cm and of angle of speakers).

hope for the better (well, something better taht is

the best way to regard ns10s' is as a type of loudspeaker that lacks any kind of "muscle".
"bass" is "out of the question"!
the idea of using them is that if you can make music sound "phat" on them, it will sound "even better" on something "good" if you "process" it on the "nessies"...
i f+cK!^g hate them these days though!
just not necassary anymore, just referencing your track with some of the latest sh!t should give you a good "reality check"...

1/ the real good point is you can listen to ns10 in any studio in the world
and compare...
2/ You can buy a sub for bass frequencies...
many people do that.

RoŽ
(alias rumbo)

Yeah, that's the point of the NS10s and why virtually all studios have them (or at least something like them). If your mix works fine on them, it'll probably work on everything else. Of course, most studios have other high-quality speakers, too. Yamaha have discontinued the NS10s now, but I've got a pair of their "replacements", the MSP5, and I think they're great.

I´ve only heard the MSP5 when shopping for a new set of monitors to replace my NS10´s. To me they sounded a LOT better than my NS10´s and better than Reveals or Alesis Monitor One´s. I was really impressed with the MSP10 though, really liked them. I finally went with the Blue Sky System One 2.1 though (after talking to my bank, lalala) and am VERY happy with it. The NS10´s still do their job as second NF monitors though.

The NS10 is not the best monitor speaker to produce beats on, imo. I´ve been doing beats with it, but I always switched between them and my regular HIFI system (with Denon boxes, they´re probably flatter than the NS10s). A lowcost NF solution for producing beats that two of my pals are using these days is the Syrincs M3-220 2.1 system. Most audio engineers will run screaming, but they have a great low end and are good for club production, since you get that "bigass PA" feel if you crank them up enough.

hey rickenbacker, i take my krk9000b's and my bryston 3bst pro wherever i go!
the important thing is to get to know a "monitoring" system.
these days you'll find brystons and krk's in all the best studios, ns10's are just a habit that some people need to grow out of.
hey rumbo, you can reference your music on krk or genelec in any studio in the world too...
i checked out the msp5's and they're pretty good, MUCH better than ns10's!
peace to all, as far as monitoring is concerned, you only live once, do it properly!

The thing with the NS10's is the same as the Alesis Monitor Ones. They are not very good at being monitors, But if you can get a mix to sound good on them the mix will sound good everywhere. That is why most every studio has them. Try working with you EQ and just getting levels right. I'm sure you'll find a sound that is great, and when you pop it in your friends car it will sound the way it did when you mixed it down.

there's truth in what you say synthetik.
i used the damn things for years, and always said exactly the same as you.
but these days i like to use a monitoring setup that actually gives me accurate information about what i'm doing, and my mixes sound great for it.
a friend brought a finished mix he'd done on ns10s into my studio to check it out LOUD on my krk's, there was a 30hz rumble all the way through the mix that he hadn't even heard on the '10s!
finally, sorry, but mixing on '10s is no guarantee that your mix will sound "the way it did when you mixed it" after taking it out of the mixing environment. .
the best way to achieve this is to regularly turn the volume down way low during the mixing process. '10s are so hard in the midrange that prolonged listening to them will mess your ears up to the point that your mix can suffer.
sorry to go on...peace, later.

In the studio I'm using krk 7000b's along with a bryston 4bst (that's abbreviation for beast!) 3 cheers to damann!! hip hip hurrah!



My old NS10's are confined to the hi-fi in the sitting room. The reason I still use 'em at all is because the sitting room is very resonant in the lower end, and the nessie's lack of bass power is perfect for the room.

I tried my pair of Dynaudio BM10's first, and they were way too boomy in that room....

It really is down to the room you're monitoring in, as much as the monitors...

This is an example of one good caveat about the Nessies: You can have lots of boominess hiding in all that high-end that swamps the mix, especially when played back on, er, "budget" systems.

I still think they're damn good mixing monitors, though. It's just good to have other more robust speakers to A/B them against as you go.