Where Are The Firewire Audio/midi Interfaces?, Inexplicable absence of what should be Options

[Synthetik]

I've been looking at that press release for awhile now and thinking to myself, "where is it" Cubase final got up to date, now Logic, we just need MOTU to give us a date for the new DP, not just saying at summer NAMM that it would be released the second half of 2002. The last time I checked Summer NAMM signifide the second half.

[rickenbacker]

As colourful and comprehensive as your explanation of the process is, River, it still doesn't change the simple fact that until you are standing in a shop holding the boxed product in your hands, what earthly use are company announcements?

Yes, I've seen that eMagic press release before, yes I know it's still on their website, but so what? We still don't have Logic OS X, so what difference does it make what they've previously said? Anyway, it comes with the territory - Logic OS X is hardly the first OS X app not to meet its promised release dates.

I don't think there's any great mystery to get to the bottom of here. If eMagic don't think an OS X version of Logic is ready for release to the market, then they're simply not going to release it. And no amount of dark mutterings/whining in public forums is going to make them hurry it along, however much its users want it. Why would they want to rush release their flagship product only to have to spend the next six months patching the bugs and taking flak from the very people who tirelessly demanded its release?

I'm as keen as every Mac musician to see Logic on OS X, but it looks like we'll just have to wait.

Peace. We're all friends here.

[Levon River]

Thanks, rickenbacker, for the penetrating glimpses into the obvious. If even a single sentence of it had had anything at all to do with A) the topic of this thread or B) my original point about OS problems likely impeding development and release, then this discussion might continue.

As it is, maybe someone can make a lovely planter out of it.

[rickenbacker]

Er, it was actually you who went off-topic first in your post of 15th August, where you described the Core Audio and Midi implementation pre-10.2 as "half-assed". You were also first to bring up the matter of companies demo-ing new releases at trade shows, using emagic's display of Logic on OS X at Summer NAMM 2001 to illustrate your point.

This is what I originally replied to. If someone makes a comment in that another participant wants to reply to, isn't that the point of these forums? If you don't like that, maybe you should stick to your own topic in the first place.

And as far as I'm aware, le petit martien is the moderator of these forums, not you.

As for FireWire, I don't think there's widespread enough use across the computer industry for the range of products to suddenly multiply, nor enough companies specialising in audio hardware. With PCs taking 95% of the computer market, USB 2.0 seems more likely for mass-market products. There you go - back on topic.

[Levon River]

Er, it was actually you who went off-topic first in your post of 15th August, where you described the Core Audio and Midi implementation pre-10.2 as "half-assed".

It wasn't remotely off topic. It was (and still is) my *speculation* regarding *why* there are no firewire combination audio/midi interfaces--which *is* this topic, which I started.

My point in even *mentioning* the Logic anomaly, which seemed to be easily understandable by most, was that I believe OS problems account for the slow/no development in COMBINATION AUDIO/MIDI products in BOTH hardware and software, the software side of which I've covered more specifically in another thread that maybe you can find. [Hint: it's called "Day 952--still No Pro Sequencer For Os X."]

Illustrative *only* of my reasoning for speculating that OS problems were behind slow/no development in the HARDWARE arena for combination audio/MIDI products was the example of *evidence* of hold-ups on the SOFTWARE side as well for COMBINATION AUDIO/MIDI products. The entire point was that this lends some weight to the possiblity of there having been a central OS X issue--which is the one thing that would affect BOTH hardware and software development for COMBINATION AUDIO/MIDI products--and that perhaps it's not all just attributable to the sloth of developers, which seems to be the drum you want to beat.

The COMMON element, since you still missed it apparently, is the scarcity of COMBINATION AUDIO/MIDI products for OS X--both in hardware *and* in software--and so the point I was making about pre-Jauar OS problems being a possible, if not likely, culprit affecting BOTH hardware and software is entirely germane to this discussion of the HARDWARE side of the equation. The mention of an example from the software side was merely *supportive* and *illustrative* of that entire rationale--the OS being the thing that BOTH hardware and software must work with.

You decided to climb onto my mere mention of that supporting evidence (from the software side of the same equation) like a hobby-horse and ride it to death as an excuse to give me an unsolicited lecture on the marketing frailties of music software developers, which is not the topic, and was not at all the point of my mentioning the anomaly of the Logic for OS X press release--that being merely illustrative of further *evidence* for my reasoning that a long-term OS problem might likely lie at the center of all of it.

That's *still* my position, and I think it's consistent with the facts--one very RELATED fact (to possible OS problems) *including* the announced release of Logic for OS X that has now been delayed for an entire year. You don't think it has anything to do with any OS problems. Fine. Nobody here, including me, is stopping you from saying so. So your characterization that I was somehow trying to wear the moderator's hat was entirely disengenuous.

Beat your drum all you want. But why not start a new thread called "The sloth and devious marketing practices of software developers for OS X, which, itself, has always been perfect," since that seems to be what you're trying to discuss in this thread. I'm not.

[Francois Déchery]

keel cool guys please,
since lepetitmartien in on vacation...

Your discussion IS interesting!

[Stuartpa]

Logic for Mac OSX is out you can get from Emagic's Web site under updates right now.

I have not tested it yet as I use HD hardware and I am sure I will have ot wait a few months to a year to get that OSX Native but yoiu never Know it may be sooner and OSX works a whole lot better with the Jaguar release.

There are some limitation to the use of Firwire but what a way to go if it can be done High Spped MIDI and Audio in one Box sounds really good to me.

[Synthetik]

There is a new firewire in development, that has twice the Mbps,

Thats hot to death right there.

[Matmac]

I too am suprised at the lack of firewire audio devices - the 828 costs $aus 2200 here and is basically out of my reach. I guess it is us poor saps with iMacs and Powerbooks without a PCI slot that would make up the market. I am skeptical that USB has the band width to handle MIDI with lots of controller data as well as audio but that is what we seem to be stuck with - bugger!