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Posted by: Soif Sat 7 Dec 2002, 03:17

We may be spoiling your day with the news that has been spoiling ours for quite some time : MacMusic will most probably not be able to continue anymore. Attempts to finance it through advertisements have failed and plans are to close the site in February.

MacMusic in the past...
MacMusic has been thriving for five years thanks to the ongoing dedication of Soif, its founder who was gradually joined by a group of enthusiastic volunteers, known as "http://www.macmusic.org/nav/?s=about&c=team&lang=EN".
MacMusic's success -10,000 visits per day - may be forcing the site to close down. The technical and practical means necessary to have a continually accessible and updated tool represent an investment that can no longer be supported, particularly financially speaking. Server, host, contents management, etc. all involve ever growing expenditures of money and time, that are no longer within the team's realm of possibility.

Hopes for the future...
Over the past few weeks, the team has been working on finding a solution that corresponds to the spirit of community underpinning YOUR site. We hope to work out within the next 10 days a proposition that we believe will retain the attention of all those who hope that MacMusic will not just become a good memory...

In this regard we need to know: what do you think about it ?
Your feedback is needed!


The MacMusic Team

Posted by: azusa Sat 7 Dec 2002, 03:42

sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

Posted by: Tone Sat 7 Dec 2002, 08:10

For the multitude of people considering adopting the Mac for its most famous and popular of abilities, Sound & Video processing - this forum is nothing short of a lifesaver.
If it was turned into a TV show it would be called MacWatch
Just by reading the forum topics I have developed considerable confidence in the Mac which I purchased just a year ago
I'm sure Computer sales departments everywhere, excluding Mac themselves of course, will be quite contented if this forum is discontinued
I sincerely hope it isn't
Tony

Posted by: Doug Miner Sat 7 Dec 2002, 15:33

I am a teacher, musician and Mac enthusiust who has only recently found MacMusic and have dicovered in it a valuable one stop resource for all things related to music production on the Mac. I use Logic Platinum, Finale, Sibelius, Peak and a multitude of other multimedia apps and really appreciate being able to come here and not have to wade through the multitude of complaints by PC uers that they can't get their systems working. The Mac is a dependable, creative and usable tool that doesn't get in your way and neither should a Mac information site. MacMusic fills the bill quite nicely. I wish you good luck in your efforts to stay afloat. sad.gif

Posted by: gogo Sat 7 Dec 2002, 20:03

This forum and site are so incredibly useful to someone like me, a music student, who is just beginning to understand the power of audio tools on the Mac, even though I've been using them for nearly 10 years. Please don't close down!! Set up a PayPal account & I'll donate right quick!

Posted by: danielfschroeder Sat 7 Dec 2002, 20:52

While I still have no Mac and am trying to learn how to use the capabilities of my S80 keyboard prior to purchasing a computer and home studio software, I have been passively participating in your forum for about a month. I rarely have gotten past the daily forums opening page, but reading others' questions and answers already has, and will increasingly will be of much value in my education.

Posted by: ryosode Sat 7 Dec 2002, 22:00

Hm... I am probably not the first one to admit that the News section had its short comings. (Namely, I could get the information elsewhere on ProAudio websites.) So are a few other places in the websites. HOWEVER, if there's a way to save at least the Forum, Classifies and perhaps Articles section, I say let's do it! I am not even done reading parts of the forum and there's so much to learn there. sad.gif

Posted by: Levon River Sun 8 Dec 2002, 07:53

No one else anywhere provides the kind of comprehensive coverage of Mac music and audio issues that MacMusic has provided, particularly with the forums and the combined expert knowledge of The Team.

It would be a great pity and loss to all Mac musicians of every stripe if it went away.

Have you considered making it a non-profit and soliciting funding from institutions, users, the gov't, Apple, and some of the bigger music manufacturers? (Those last two get so damned much free advertising here they *ought* to ante up, at least for support of a non-profit.)

If all efforts fail and the site actually goes down, Soif and Co. have made a big difference and helped countless people.

Posted by: lastmachine Mon 9 Dec 2002, 07:31

Soif, what specific type of input do you want? For a question like "what do you think about the site?", the answer is easy: It's Great!

Are you looking at trimming the site, doing away with some features? I think Levon's idea is outstanding. since you are a .org, does that mean you're already non-profit (or not-for-profit)? If not, Maybe you could still get Apple to kick--show them the type of A) problem-solving, to allow people to do what they want on the most stupendous platform in the world, and B) outright shameless Mac Evangelism that goes on on this site.

Look at the old MkLinux model--Apple provided at least blessing, source code and developer tools, and maybe some dough into the mix. What they got out of it was Open Source collaborative development of what became Darwin. What we got out of it was use of Linux on Macs back in 1996 or so. Apple has been open to "friendly" deals, no matter how ferocious they get about some things (Garamond & colorful Apple logo placement, &c).

Other developers might be persuaded as well.

Are you looking at soliciting donations? I'll pay, yes, sir. In True Macintosh Community fashion, I believe a Noblesse Obligee system would suffice--If you're feeling flush, kick some dough. Get your name listed on the MacMusic LoveFest. Listing amounts would be crass, I suppose, but perhaps saying that MacMusic is "Grateful" for these contributions, and "Amazed" at these other ones. Or no such thing. Well, it's a rough idea. Credit Card, PayPal, Kagi, etc... Lots of options.

Perhaps collect a bunch of advice and product reviews, rumors and such, and press it all into a book. There are many options for publishing from e-pub (which is almost a money-loser, but works right away), to print-on-demand through online sites (better than e-pub, but less timely), to "regular", books sitting on shelves (potentially most lucrative, but most time-consuming). Some paper booksellers will work with print-on-demand.
Think about the experience collected to date. It should be an easy matter to gain releases from posters (if even necessary), and if anybody gets sticky, well, it's all in the public domain, can be read by anybody, and passed up once again as good advice, with a release (if even necessary).
All proceeds go to maintaining the site.

I humbly offer my services in editing (I'm damned good). There is enough talent associated here to turn out a profitable book.
Some topics:
Hardware overview: which changes all the time, but over the sales life of the book, many people will be using old computers (older than the publishing date=covered in the book), and with the significant investment Apple has made in changing things lately, they'll likely want to stand for a while on what works.
Software overview: Likewise.
Pitfalls: Lots of these on the site (Yeah, don't use OMS and FreeMIDI together...)
Step-by-steps: How-to's for going from platform to platform, and SW to SW.
Set-ups: Depending on what the reader wants to do, some recommended set-ups, from a bare-necessities approach, then adding various optional capabilities--rough prices for "packages" and individual components.

Anyway, there are certainly enough subject matter experts around this site. Anybody ought to be willing to contribute experience and a bit of time to sifting through a thread or two.
You could set up a small page for this project; threads for sorting, proposed chapters, sorted threads (info culled and dressed), edited works, graphics, chapter drafts and a completed draft. Team-member login, to keep the thing under wraps (and copyright protection).

Some suggestions.

Hawk (lastmachine)

Posted by: lastmachine Mon 9 Dec 2002, 07:40

Perhaps also talk to MacAddict; an article there couldn't hurt, and they would probably love to cover you. Could tie into a big Music issue. Now for all I know, they just did one--I'm overseas (live in Japan) and only get to purchase issues sporadically. But check it out...

lastmachine

Posted by: lepetitmartien Mon 9 Dec 2002, 08:44

Thanks everyone (and the next people who will post wink.gif, it's always good for all the team to know that we don't work for nothing, and for the good of each smile.gif

Now I've got a few things to get straight and a few other to add:

What we want from you as feedback is more a constructive view of
"What do you want MM to do to be alive and kickin' in 2 months?"
"What solutions can be acceptable for you? Or NOT acceptable?"
"What do YOU want to do, pay, run, swim, whatever, so that MM stays online and continue to grow?"

(sorry, it must be a defective translation that made the last sentences of the news unclear)

These are raw questions. It's to give the spirit of the kind of feedback we need, as we are having the same thread in the FR forums and we are watching and listening to these threads so they help us build a long term (viable for 2003 AND after) and a practical, workable legal solution. We interfer the least possible way in the thread to let members talk freely, and only to give needed informations only us can give when it is needed.

(I may add the legal solution is respective of the french regulations which are quite different from the anglosaxon, or even german ones to name a few, so go on, but we must on our side have this in mind)

The team is currently working on it too (on the practical side of things, we want a working trick in the next weeks), but the brainstorming of members is useful to us to give us directions.

From internal team debate (the people who are maintaining the site, animating it, searching news, making translations, cooking pies wink.gif the following seemed the points that were the soul of MacMusic.

First - we are and we'll stay a .org cool.gif

Second - we stand as a community service, made by and for the community. cool.gif

Third - all actual MM content is (and will stay) open to all. tongue.gif cool.gif

Posted by: wonx Mon 9 Dec 2002, 18:15

Although in principle I don't like it, I for one would be willing to pay a nominal fee, say $10 a year for the privelege of being able to post. But like everyone else I think we should lobby Apple, and Emagic, M-Audio etc. If they knew what a valuable resource MM is for their customers, there is no reason they shouldn't pony up.

Posted by: CircleTheA Mon 9 Dec 2002, 18:16

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YOU NEED TO SET UP A PAYPAL AND HAVE A CAMPAIGN OVER THE NEXT MONTH TO RAISE FUNDS FOR NEW SERVERS!!! PEOPLE WILL HELP YOU GUYS OUT! TRUST ME!

Posted by: holli Tue 10 Dec 2002, 01:12

Surely Apple-friendly manufacturers should be falling over themselves to reach this captive audience blink.gif I assume they have not been forthcoming?! Why aren't there Emagic, Motu, Protools, MAudio etc all grappling for the flashy banner ads? Maybe these companies are nervous since indepedent forums are a place for balanced views -pros and cons, whilst their own forums can be regulated favourably.

Apologies, I'm typing aloud in the hope of inspiration smile.gif Perhaps technology companies/manufacturers are the wrong people -how about publications, audio media, sound on sound etc. Banks are usually good people to attract, since nearly everyone buys music gear on credit. The M.U. in the uk seems largely supported by credit card companies. They offer a favourable rate to members, in return for the exclusive right to target members with occassional mail hits. Seems to work.

Posted by: Johnny Valium Tue 10 Dec 2002, 13:11

I agree with Holly in that music technology companies are not keen on supporting places where they have their products openly criticized or sometimes even bashed.

Personally, when I visit macmusic I take a short look at the news section (to see if Digital Performer for X is out unsure.gif ) and then go to the forum. What about a poll where users can vote for the sections they would like to keep. Then you could sort out unnecessary stuff in order to make the site (and the expenditure) smaller. Bigger is not necessarily better.

Also, blink.gif do we rolleyes.gif really laugh.gif need these animated gifs in the forums?! Or the avatars?! Getting rid of those would take away strain from the server. A forum without the expendable visuals would certainly be better than no forum at all.

If this sounds a little helpless I must admit that's what I am. What is the name of your ISP? Does it already support your site? Where are its banners?

Greetings and thanks for all the great work!!!

JV

Posted by: Ionas Tue 10 Dec 2002, 14:38

I will not waste time listing all the wonderful aspects of Macmusic. Others have done that better than I could. But I will say this: I joined up just two months ago, after bying a cheap Behringer Eurorack, trying my hands at Deck, and realising that I needed help. And I wouldn't hesitate to contribute economically to the continued existance of Macmusic, as it has already become as essential to my music as my old worn guitar.

I know it's not a long-term financial solution, but I'm certain MANY members of the community would haste to do the same. Perhaps that'll be enough for the coming months, until that old and lonely multimillionaire realises that testamenting his fortune to Macmusic.org was what he wanted to do all along, thus providing you with a permanent solution... ;-)

I don't think I've come across any Mac webboards as active as Macmusic, the EV Nova web board being the possible exception. And that is one flattering comparison...

Posted by: ryosode Wed 11 Dec 2002, 03:40

>"What do you want MM to do to be alive and kickin' in 2 months?"

I mostly look at the news quickly and then move onto forum in search of some useful information. It probably means your article/software/etc sections aren't appealing (to me at least). Maybe you can use this opportunity to determine which part of the site needs to be truncated?

On the contrary, may be you can think about how to enhance the site so that you could drive more traffic through. (Useful Mac related articles? For example, moderators maybe required to submit one article per year to keep their title? I dunno. Just a thought.) After the upgrade, let's put up banners from Apple/emagic/digidesign and so on!! More pages and higher traffic rate means you can charge more for each banner, right?

>"What solutions can be acceptable for you? Or NOT acceptable?"

I don't think money based service is acceptable. It'll keep all beginners away from the site and most of the discussions are triggered by newbie questions. If you want this site alive and kicking in 2 months, keep it free.

On the contrary, I am all up for donation system.

Posted by: Soif Wed 11 Dec 2002, 04:19

thansk all for your feedback and support.smile.gif

Articles is the smallest time consuming activy of Macmusic (at least now).

IMO cutting services would not reduce a lot all the 'backstage' operations needed to run our not that small website.

on the other hand , our current traffic is allready more than enought to be truly interressant for advertisers and the traffic growth is just amazing. but potential advertiser aren't there and wont before a long time.

We need other ways. So we do need your ideas rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Soif Wed 11 Dec 2002, 16:27

We've just setup a poll to get a better idea of what support we can stand for, at:
http://www.macmusic.org/agora/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=13&t=4907&s=&lang=EN

Please Vote!

Posted by: lepetitmartien Thu 12 Dec 2002, 02:06

Well 3 voters representing a majority of members… I think you can do better (you, yes, you!)

It's important for us to know what to expect, please! smile.gif

Posted by: kaboombahchuck Thu 12 Dec 2002, 05:10

OK, I have voted! cool.gif
I was wondering if there might be incentives for an amout given. Say you give $60 a year, perhaps a mac music tee shirt can be obtained. The higher the "gift' the better the incentive. Just an idea. unsure.gif

Posted by: Johnny Valium Thu 12 Dec 2002, 14:40

Well, I have not voted. 60 Euros are too much! And surely not only for me. What about a 10 Euro donation? Would you accept something like that?! Remember there are not only rich platinum album sh%§&ing producers here sad.gif

JV

Posted by: lepetitmartien Thu 12 Dec 2002, 18:58

We know that 60€/$ can be too much for some people (including me in my present situation, believe me), but if enough people are paying each this toll, we can keep the access to the site free. It is meant as a volontary contribution. We are securing the ways paiement could be made, we'll tell you when we'll know how exactly.

The "how much money do we need?" question, I would have liked that someone have asked. I will answer anyway:

We are now just over 8 000 members smile.gif
We have about 10 000 sessions each day (someone comes and browses, if he comes back later, it's a different session)
Our bandwith needs are multiplied by 5 each year
We are already using the services of a professional server in the USA.

To continue over 2003 we need: (it's in French Francs, it'll be in €/$ at the end, sorry)

- Server 24 000
- Domain names 1 000
- expenses 15 000
- webmaster (Soif) 192 000 (more on this bellow)

subtotal: 232 000 /year which is 35595 €/$

To cover server failures, the next attack from Venus, and the 10% we'll be taxed to have the money

==> about 40 000 €/$ for 2003 (262 382 F)

Why do we need to pay Soif?

Well, he's making right now all the coding that make MM rolling, he monitors the server (even reactivating it every 5 mn like last week end) etc. He payed all the costs until now (25 000 F the last 2 years) and because he's working on MM 26 hours on 24, he doesn't even have time to do his real job (sound designer/engineer). If we want the site to go on next year, Soif must be payed (it'll give him a 1500 €/$ monthly salary which is reasonable) or he'll simply have to work and no MM running then.

Now you have a picture of the budget we face.
If you have any questions? smile.gif

Posted by: wonx Thu 12 Dec 2002, 22:41

I'd like to participate in the poll, but come on! Don't force me to vote "I wouldn't give anything" just because I'm not willing to fork out 60 bucks.

Posted by: bjkiwi Fri 13 Dec 2002, 01:05

I'm with wonx, I would contribute but $60 seems a bit much. I would like 2 vote but there is no appropriate answer for me 2 tick. It would be a shame 2 see macmusic disappear so I hope a solution is found.

Posted by: xingu Fri 13 Dec 2002, 02:18

Thanks, LPM, for the clarification. Even though it seems a bit much to pay $60 for access to an Internet forum, I voted for it anyway. The difference between it being a voluntary donation and a mandatory requirement is an important distinction.

This site has been instrumental in getting my home studio up and running. I drop by a few times a day, almost exclusively to check out what's new in the forums. There's other decent forums out there (for free), but none quite as comprehensive.

Based on LPM's proposed figures, it would take a $50 donation from 800 people, or less than 10% of the current MacMusic community to reach the goal. Of course, not all of us can afford that (I've spent so much on my gear this year already!) but between those that can contribute smaller amounts and the few generous folks that might be able to offer more, it seems like there's enough users to support keeping this site 'free' and running.

Posted by: lepetitmartien Sat 14 Dec 2002, 20:21

thanks Xingu, it's always good news for the team to know that we don't work for nothing. It happens that we help, gooooooooooood smile.gif

At this moment, the contribution of 60$ will be as a volontary contribution. All the forum will be open still. We think about other solutions (if the votes aren't good enough) but it'll be the less painfull and the more user friendly.

People that like the site pay a fee (an annual music newspaper suscription), enough of them, and all the site is still free. If it can not be we'll have to think of other less "true spirit of the net" solution or close the site sad.gif

And we have only 6 weeks to secure a solution up and running. I understand fully the people who think it's too much (from their wallet vue, I'm in the same situation so…) but a 30$ toll will need more than 1300 member, an even more difficult goal.

We are still trying other tracks so that all the budget won't be supported by members but nothing is sure yet. And we can't survive of hopes only. All the major user driven sharing sites on the web are faced with the same problems (too much traffic, a server to pay for, bandwith etc) and an elegant solution, respectful of members not to simply disappear is not easy to find.

If only we were all billionaires… wink.gif

Posted by: jules Wed 18 Dec 2002, 18:50

fine, fine, your justifications sounds reasonable.
But same comment: more variation in the contribution to the site would be appreciated. starting from 20 euros and increasing by 10, or something like that.
And eventually discounts for people who are a bit short on their bank account (I know the justification would be a pain to sort out).

Posted by: ambitiouslemon Wed 18 Dec 2002, 19:43

Hi Guys,

Put away your wallets! smile.gif

I'm the webmaster for http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://www.ambitiouslemon.com/. We've got plenty of capacity to host the site and we'd be able to do it completely free.

Free for users, free for the administrators of macmusic and even *adfree*.

Why are we offering this? We're dedicated to the mac and feel that Macmusic.org is very important to the Macintosh Community and hell, we can do it, so why not.

Soif, please get in touch with me as soon as possible -- email webmaster@ambitiouslemon.com

Cheers!

Posted by: xingu Wed 18 Dec 2002, 19:44

Maybe disregard this - looks like ambitiouslemon was writing same time as me - hopefully this pans out smile.gif

From where I stand, there appears to be a miscommunication. People seem to be using the poll as the end all be all for solution options... As LPM stated:

QUOTE (lepetitmartien @ Dec 12 2002, 17:58)
It is meant as a volontary contribution.

Last I checked, voluntary meant not mandatory. In other words, give what you are comfortable with/can afford, however little that may be if you want to contribute.

Sorry to say, things don't look too bright with just 25 people responding to the poll. Perhaps this is due to the clarity issue on the "60 euro/$ miminum"...

This brings up a hypothetical question: say MacMusic secures the means to collect contributions/donations. Now, suppose only a handful of people contribute and the goal is nowhere near being met. Does MM still go down the tubes and the generous few just lose that money, or can some type of refund system be anticipated?

Posted by: lepetitmartien Thu 19 Dec 2002, 03:04

Sorry Xingu, but it's mandatory then sad.gif
(always remember I'm French/Swiss blink.gif and "voluntary" is pure French in English and doesn't mean the same thing at all : it was meant as "the minimum would be 60 but in the figure that all the site was still available for free for all, so some would pay for all", we are working on other possibilities anyway smile.gif

anyway, the polls are here to give us an idea of the result. It has worked a bit better on the French side (more than 180 votes there), I'm sure the English forum can do better biggrin.gif rolleyes.gif

But even if the poll is not perfect as is, the more people answer, the better we can figure out. But in no ways it is the end of all, we are still working on it and thinking of other ways.

btw, on saturday I go away from Paris, up in my swiss mountains and won't be able to connect and answer. Back the 3rd of january. So don't be fooled if I disappear wink.gif

Posted by: xingu Thu 19 Dec 2002, 04:06

I stand corrected. Sorry for acting like a know-it-all biggrin.gif

Posted by: lepetitmartien Thu 19 Dec 2002, 04:34

No arm done laugh.gif
(I can be a real smart ass when I want to too wink.gif
the important is that we can be understood rolleyes.gif

[OT]
btw, if I'd go to sleep blink.gif
[/OT]

cool.gif

Posted by: Brad Brighton Fri 20 Dec 2002, 22:44

We also would like to talk further to the MacMusic crew about the possibilities of helping the site.

I've sent previous emails (and one just today)... I would encourage the MM folks to take a look and see what the best solution for them will be.

-brad

Brad Brighton, CEO, NMR Media, LLC, publishers of http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://www.macedition.com

Posted by: Mark K Thu 26 Dec 2002, 04:42

I'm a recent visitor to MacMusic for the first time after flirting with the use of my Mac for audio recording for quite some time.

I'm sad to see that it is struggling now that I seem to have found the very site I want!

I agree with the person who suggested MacAddict as a source and with PayPal donation ability.

I think the Mac is an an interesting path right now with Apple's acquisition of Emagic (Do I hear "iCompose" anywhere?) and other developments including a very strong presence of music related stories on the Apple website. I wish you all the luck to be around for the revolution (if there is going to be one)

Mark

Posted by: lepetitmartien Sat 4 Jan 2003, 01:30

Happy Near Yew everyone! smile.gif

Latest news from the FR side of the site is some overheated members are calling to make a CD as a mean of raising money and help and are actually searching tunes for it (benefits go for the site).

If you're interested to join create a new thread (go on work a bit wink.gif create that thing) ask for to Mr.T who is involved and can answer you in EN, or if want to start the project on the EN side autonomously (i.e. for North America… so that postage can be kept low for everyone).

more to come smile.gif

Posted by: Presto Tue 7 Jan 2003, 23:05

Just back - great idea! I'm working on a song for the French CD. Hehe! My style is probably not usual, but then again I hope all the songs on it are quite different. Fuuuuuun!

I'm looking forward to hearing everybody's style.

Posted by: Rimmer Mon 13 Jan 2003, 13:10

I have been a regular contributor to the Hitsquad forums for some time. I know they had some serious issues more recently which they have managed to turn around. Might be worth a chat with the CEO there as he could have some ideas that haven't been considered.

Best of luck, really

Rimmer

Posted by: FUNKSTICK Tue 14 Jan 2003, 07:04

In reply to the End of MacMusic; NOOooooooooooo. I just realized you guys existed!! Since it appears you have quite a large audience, why not ask for some donations? Exactly HOW MUCH do you guys need to keep runnin'? I'm no millionaire or even a hundredaire (heh heh) for that matter but maybe you could charge registered members a lil' something or just ask for donations to keep you going. As long as we were sure it was to keep you online and not to line peoples pockets excessively, I'm pretty sure you could finance yourself off "... the kindness of strangers." Howzabout that...? As if you didn't already consider it. Get it set up with Pay Pal, Visa, Mastercard and have a way for people to mail you guys money orders and the like. If you have 100 users then figure out your costs across 20 of them (to be semi realistic) actually sending you cash in some form. You already thought of this or someone has I'm sure but lemme know what you came up with anyhoo.

Posted by: FUNKSTICK Tue 14 Jan 2003, 07:28

Alright Already,

Before anybody gives me the gasface for not reading all the replies you had up to now, let me offer my apologies for just writing off the top of my head.

Of course, as I thought, you have had tons of great ideas thrown at you. Apparently the $60 donation isn't going over too well but it sure sounds good to me. I'd gladly send you guys that to help out... BUT...

The other ideas about getting the software people and other Mac sites to help you financially is great! Where are the banner ads for those programs we all know and love (to hate) Why doesn't this help finance you. They have the money and you have the audience. Thats a marriage made in Netven.

And that site ambitiouslemon.com says they'll do it free and all our talk right now is basically amounting to nothing then huh? Let me know.

I, for one, think its great how many people actually care to give ideas and help to you guys. It shows how much people need you. Keep the funk alive.

Me ; }

Posted by: Presto Wed 15 Jan 2003, 13:48

Vive BatonFunk smile.gif

Hey! Why don't you write a Funky song for the MM CD smile.gif

Posted by: Michael Christian Sun 19 Jan 2003, 05:19

please don't go!
M

Posted by: gidfiddler Sun 19 Jan 2003, 12:30

hey the other threads about making donations are closed but i just wanted to say i'd like to make a $ contribution if there is a means of doing so .

for a long time I have wanted to take out an esub with sound on sound 12 online issues:
£ 24 (approx. US $3.30 per issue) I will gladly do that late and instead give that money to macmusic and join sos at a later date .

I am always in a rush so can't check the site to C but would a moderator contact me if a secure method of paying has been set up .

lets keep this great resource going .

Posted by: lepetitmartien Mon 20 Jan 2003, 08:51

Thanks again everyone for your support. The secure method to pay will be available about the same time the solution will be ready. And I can tell you it's coming faaaaaast. smile.gif

meanwhile wub.gif laugh.gif cool.gif

Posted by: Soif Wed 29 Jan 2003, 09:59

we setup this solution:

http://www.macmusic.org/agora/forums/show.php/act/ST/f/19/t/5605/lang/EN

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