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Posted by: prutulz Tue 13 Mar 2001, 15:57

As you may know, at the end of this month, Apple with launch MacOS X, the new MacOS.

Did you notice that no announcements was made about music making with this OS.

OMS, a vital element for midi communication IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH macOS X, and is no longer developped.
No replacement was even announced!
This mean NO MIDI (compatible with existing applications) on mac OS X.

Audio drivers will need to be rewritten to work in OSX, and reports show that the system sound interface (Sound manager) was not improved, or is even worse than the actual version....

It sounds like Apple completely forgets its musician customers base!
-itunes is a kind software, but it doesn't replace the needs for WORKING midi and audio application-

SHOULD WE BUY A PC TO MAKE MUSIC NOW ?????

:-(

Posted by: xfiles Tue 13 Mar 2001, 16:32

you're right! :-(

A friend of mine, working close to Apple (cupertino) told me that (pro) music making is even not discussed in the OS X dev team.

iTunes for all!

arrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!

(Edited by xfiles at Mar. 13, 2001 - 15:34)

Posted by: wfplb Wed 14 Mar 2001, 07:59

You are like virgins
Remember USB story
MIDI is too has-been
and maby some people somewhere, by the bridge
are thinking about that
don't worry be happy

Posted by: prutulz Wed 14 Mar 2001, 14:37

I clearly remember USB:

USB is faster, smarter, and more convenient than serial BUT:
3 years after, Midi synchronisation still not work on USB: You have to put a stealth port to get a rock solid midi sync (with an old serial midi interface)
And it was just a hardware thing...

In 10 days, it would be a software thing.

I can bet you than in the 2 coming years, 80% of the musical softwares (except the major ones) won't work on OS X.

If as a result, we could get a faster midi, a unified plug-in architecture, a clever OS sound management (like windows DOES with activeX)....i would acept it as an evolution, but at this time, nothing is announced to be improved: We just hope that it will be compatible....

Not really funny

Posted by: abbie Wed 21 Mar 2001, 18:19

Maybe FreeMIDI will save the day...

Personally I am staying away from OS X due to its high memory requirements.

Posted by: Raymund Beyer Sat 24 Mar 2001, 22:08

There will be a Midi solution for OS X. The guy that did OMS now is working for Apple.
But nobody know _when_ Midi will appear in OS X. As we all know, Applle doesn't care about musicians...

Ray

Posted by: prutulz Wed 28 Mar 2001, 14:46

Anyone tested OS X with Midi applications ?

Does something work?

:o

Posted by: DavidK Thu 26 Apr 2001, 16:26

According to various beta-testing mailing-list of major editors (Emagic, Steinberg, Native-instrument,..), programmers all say the same things:

Yes OSX seems great, but we won't develop something before Apple communicates us the standards about MIDI and Audio programming. At this time, there are no guidelines or API, and we won't waste our time and money to re-invent the wheel. So we are waiting.

Considering that adapting applications to this new OS is a major work, and that Apple just said nothing to programmers at this time, it will take a while before anything work on OSX to make music.
What will we do this summer, when OSX will be the only OS running on new macs.

Apple always had a leadership position in the music business, but with the PC market growing every days and no softwares compatible with OSX, what are we suppose to do in the next month: throw our macs and buy a PC...:(

Nobody at Apple care about the music market or what?

I'm really scared :(

David K.

Posted by: marcmame Thu 26 Apr 2001, 22:32

This is not as bad as it seems.
Even when Apple will start shipping hardware with MacOS X pre-installed, don't forget that you still will be able to boot on MacOS9.1 to run all non X native software. This will be true for a looooong time ! So keep it easy guys...

Posted by: soif Mon 21 May 2001, 17:10

According to http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0105/21.keyboard.shtml, writer John Krogh (Keyboard Magazine) strongly recommended against musicians using Mac OS X.

Posted by: prutulz Mon 21 May 2001, 17:48

http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2001/descriptions.html#208 annouces sessions about audio & Midi in MacOS X, at the WWDC 2001

Let's hope :/

Posted by: Cpt Horse Sat 26 May 2001, 03:39

I dont use OS X or know anybody that does but.. my understanding is that you will be able to boot with classic OS so there wouldnt be a problem with using older software

I choose to upgrade only to OS 9 due to budget and with a G3 I dont think OS X would be much of an advantage.

Posted by: Kaysha Fri 1 Jun 2001, 03:22

Looking at my OS X core systems, I can see folders named 'ASIO' and other audio related folders, looks like some work is already in the way...

Posted by: Kaysha Fri 1 Jun 2001, 03:32

Look at this:
http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://developer.apple.com/audio/coreaudio.html

Posted by: prutulz Fri 1 Jun 2001, 14:54

thanks for the link!
it seems good !!!

Let's see what hapen.....

Posted by: Kaysha Sun 3 Jun 2001, 05:19

Yeah thanks!
Looks like Mac OS X will also be midi and audio ready...
Let's wait a little...

Posted by: mezu Thu 12 Jul 2001, 13:12

From the maxmsp list today:
http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0107/11.music.shtml
friendly zzz

Posted by: MIDImodesitt Fri 9 Dec 2005, 08:34

Wow, no replies for years??

anyway.. now there is Tiger and there is core audio. Music souds best on Mac as always. All the good audio software is available on Mac. It's USB now, the days of the old school MIDI have ended.

Stay with Macs!!

Posted by: lepetitmartien Sat 10 Dec 2005, 05:02

ushhhh never awaken threads that sleep deep

And there's been talks about every other versions along the way