Event Ezbus $100 Rebate, Only through January 31st! Options

[BusError]

Apple has no interest limiting hardware availability on their machines. Doing so would be stupid, even their "apple branded" cards will never satisfy the market. The more people able to use the machine, the better. I have very good contacts at Apple, and I have no problem saying that they are working very hard supporting people who commit to the platform. Remember I ported Sibelius too, and they did lots of work ; for example to be sure Sib worked perfectly on jaguar when it came out.

Really, it's just a question of demand vs price, that card is indeed cheap, so they'd have to sell thousands of EZ8 to mac users to be able to 1) pay me 2) make some money. Thats quite a gamble for a small company.

[Levon River]

Apple has no interest limiting hardware availability on their machines.

I hear the lyrics, buserror, but I don't hear no music. That's okay: you go right ahead and ignore the fact that the Apple-owned products--hardware and software, the ones that Apple has a DIRECT pecuniary interest in--are the ones that just *happen* to be crossing the finish line first. You won't mind if I don't ignore the facts as I see them.

Doing so would be stupid...

Uh, yeah. So what's yer point?

Remember I ported Sibelius too, and they did lots of work ; for example to be sure Sib worked perfectly on jaguar when it came out.

Remember that Apple does not OWN a directly competing product to Sibelius.

Really, it's just a question of demand vs price, that card is indeed cheap, so they'd have to sell thousands of EZ8 to mac users to be able to 1) pay me 2) make some money.

Oh, rhinoceros feathers! How many ways do you think there are to skin a cat? You and Event could sit down and negotiate a royalties deal with a non-refundable advance they could afford against that. They could hire an employee to do the programming, making it a work-for-hire. There is ALWAYS a way to get a product to market, but the FIRST requirement is the unwavering intention to do it, and also not having some interested party (notice that I did NOT say "Apple") standing around with a Howitzer to make damned sure that the thing *didn't* get to market.

Thats quite a gamble for a small company.

Well, I'd say they've got the formula for *staying* "a small company" down cold.

[BusError]

We discussed royalties; but *I* am not interested. I'm a developer, not an accountant. My work is premium, delivered on time with documentation, and thats it. I don't see why I should bear some of the risk of how they sell their products with no control over that processus (and no WILL to get any kind of control on that either): it's not my buisiness. I do sharewares; but in that case *I* control that processus so theres only me to blame if it doesn't work.

And all that Apple-pushing-it's-products is a bit paranoid. And why is there drivers for those cards is because they were probably written by apple people close to the coreaudio team, that helps a lot to have the guy who wrote the API sitting in the next cube.

[Levon River]

We discussed royalties; but *I* am not interested.

Okay. It was merely an example of *one* option Event has open to them for getting their product to market--whether it's with you, specifically, or with some other more negotiable programmer. Your unilateral determination not to work on that basis doesn't preclude them from finding someone who is willing to work on that basis.

And all that Apple-pushing-it's-products is a bit paranoid.

Well, since you've fallen back to the tired old amateur-psychoanalysis "you must be paranoid" final refuge, I think I'll just let the incontrovertible and inarguable facts lie there and speak for themselves. I have some neglected whittlin' I've been meaning to do out on the porch anyway.

[BusError]

Okay. It was merely an example of *one* option Event has open to them for getting their product to market--whether it's with you, specifically, or with some other more negotiable programmer. Your unilateral determination not to work on that basis doesn't preclude them from finding someone who is willing to work on that basis.

You assume you can find an 1) OSX developer who also 2) can write PCI drivers - at your local pub? Good luck!

Well, since you've fallen back to the tired old amateur-psychoanalysis "you must be paranoid" final refuge, I think I'll just let the incontrovertible and inarguable facts lie there and speak for themselves. I have some neglected whittlin' I've been meaning to do out on the porch anyway.

Don't forget your aluminium foil hat!

This post has been edited by BusError: Tue 7 Jan 2003, 17:06

[Levon River]

You assume you can find an 1) OSX developer who also 2) can write PCI drivers - at your local pub? Good luck!

Heck, who knows, buserror: there might be a hungry one reading this right now and firing up his "Mail" program to apply for the opening. I'll sure be sending this topic out on my lists...

Don't forget your aluminium foil hat!

It's at the cleaners. I'm wearing the floppy felt one today; it's my whittlin' hat.

[BusError]

You talk of what you don't know. You make the same error the rest of the "IT World" makes. You group as "programmers" people who were programmer before the bubble, and the "html developers" and other "java programmers" etc.

The thing is, for normal real world programmers, there is work. If you are a programmer in "old fashioned" C/C++ and/or have skills in normal fields and not in "intranet programing in php", well, it's not hard to find work. It's not "gold valley" but there is sufficient work to go along.

But yes, all those other "programmers" have a hard time, however, they could possibly to back to whatever they were doing before they became "ebuisiness solution developers".

This thread is going wildly OT, if you don't mind, shall I move it to the proper OT forum?

[Levon River]

This thread is going wildly OT, if you don't mind, shall I move it to the proper OT forum?

Personally, I mind significantly. I posted this topic in the correct category, because it is about Event's EZBus, and, more peripherally (pun intended), about the companion EZ-8 card--both audio interfaces. I didn't steer it off-topic. I don't even consider that it now *is* off-topic, since it still is about the Event interfaces, including important factors keeping one of them out of the hands of Mac users.

Since I don't see anything else that can or needs to be said about your personal business and programming negotiations with Event, I think the topic should remain exactly where it should be: in "Audio, MIDI, DSP cards and interfaces," since that is strictly what it is about and has been about from the outset. The problems with Event getting a software driver for the EZ-8 card--whether from you or anybody else--is still entirely germane to it being an interface, since it ISN'T an interface for the Mac without said driver. But the EZ-8 was only a sideline commentary I made to begin with, since the subject is about the EZBus and a current rebate offer.

In fact, I think moving it would look...well, kind of like my old hound dogs out in the yard burying a bone...

This post has been edited by Levon River: Tue 7 Jan 2003, 17:51

[smooth segue]

Home, now. Ezbus perched beside me, looking like an exquisitely beautiful doorstop until I can get to radio shack tomorrow to get a transformer/convertor. Grumble.....the agonies extend that little bit longer.

[Levon River]

Grumble.....the agonies extend that little bit longer.

Ow. Stop it. Ow. Stop it. Ow. Stop it.

lutefisk, get that damn thing hooked up if you have to make a gerbil generator.

I'm in love with this one here. Already set up three or four saved mixes for a variety of recording set-ups--any and all just a button-push away--plus a live band mix for a gig that's coming up, so this little digital Sherman tank is about to take a short road trip.

Report! Report!