Latency In Osx, An end to latency? Options

[JackC]

I've been a pretty happy Protools user for several years now.
Been putting off buying a new 'native' system 'til the whole OSX audio thing settles down.
I think Protools TDM latency is about 1-3 ms on monitoring a record enabled input. I've heard that OSX with audio units is promising the same if not better performance running 'native' Apps?!
Ideal scenario: Logic 5 OSX running @ 96k, with true dual processor support. Anyone any ideas if l Emagic plan to release a new Pro 96k Sound Card with multiple outputs?
Am I expecting too much?

Read this

http://gigue.peabody.jhu.edu/~mdboom/laten...cy-icmc2001.pdf

[damann]

sounds pretty reasonable to me!
logic does of course work happily with digi, motu etc hardware. in fact, logic with motu hardware is a great solution.

[deleted]

No, Damann, DP with MOTU is a good solution :-)
Just joking...

Bye.

[damann]

well, emagic have just stiffed us all anyway.
logic for x, but no digi support, no vst/asio support etc, etc...
thanks a bundle guys!
don't dump that protools rig yet jackc!

[formatj]

Why the angry face? Emagic hasn't stiffed anyone! Apple and Emagic are developing a superior technology which is going to make apple the far superior computer for music/audio production.

Why do you want ASIO support?
Have you seen an ASIO driver for OSX yet?
Even if there was ASIO support in OS X the driver would have to be carbonised.

Core Audio is the new standard for OS X.
It is part of the operating system meaning better stability, performance, lower latency, better timing and less conflicts.
If you look at all the manufacturers who have written audio drivers for OSX so far they are Core Audio drivers.
Core Audio drivers will allow multiple applications to access the audio device at once.

The reason there is no Digi support for Logic in OSX at the moment is because it has to be developed in cooperation with Digidesign who haven't released any statement on their direction with OS X yet.

As for VST support how many VST plugins that you own have been coded for OS X yet? They will have to be "carbonised". Emagic has said that for any VST plugins already written for OSX there will be a simple process that will take a matter of hours to convert OS X VST to the audio unit format.

Do you really think there will be manufacturers, who for the sake of a few hours work, will not make audio unit versions of their plugins and lose potentially thousands of sales. I think not.
I know there will possibly be some products written by manufacturers exclusively for their own sequencer to entice customers to use their product but don't forget Steinberg released VST and allowed others to then adopt the standard. They then increased software sales so that they reached users of other sequencers by selling their own VST synths/FX.

Matt

P.S. remember the Atari (with MIDI port built into computer) and how people still claim that the timing and MIDI side of things were so rock solid. Having Core Audio, Core MIDI and Audio Units are going to bring back the best parts of this stability and timing!
P.P.S Native Instruments will be supporting Audio Units.

[damann]

i know all of this, the future looks great.
my problem is the fact that i've waited a year for logic on osx and when it finally arrives, i have to ditch the 100's of plugins that i've relied on if i'm to use it.
i have work in progress that i won't be able to finish in my os of choice.
i have a universal audio card that sounds better than protools, but obviously, won't work in x!
i just want to use x but know now that i won't be able to for some time...

[formatj]

I understand your frustration.

OS X is a great operating system and I can't wait to use it fully too!

I have a Powercore (with Sony Oxford EQ), UAD-1, RME gear (with OS X alpha drivers), FM7, Absynth, Battery, Reaktor, Stylus, Pro-52, PPG Wave, LM4, Model-E, Attack, Koblo Studio (which I doubt will ever make it to OS X), Lounge Lizard, Cellsynth, Modularing, most PSP fx, Linplug Delta III, Phatmatik Pro, Auto-tune, ReFX Beast Junox2 and Slayer, Fxpansion products, most Ohmforce plugs. All of these are legitimate (paid for) products.

I am hoping they will all be converted soon and also that most won't have an upgrade price otherwise I'm going to be up for a fair bit of money!
So my biggest concern is that manufacturers don't all charge for OS X versions or not too much.
Already I have to pay for Ohmboyz upgrades and also have to upgrade my copy of Spark to version 2.5 from 1.x which will cost me.

[damann]

we're in the same boat bro'
my setup is completely virtual, absolutely NO hardware synths, fx or samplers. to make matters worse, i'm not a fan of exs24 or evp88!
that leaves me with 5 es synths, a clavinet and a vocoder, oh dear...
mixing 'aint gonna be much fun without the uad either.
i don't want to go off topic, but i've heard GREAT things about the oxford eq, and i have (official) pretty much everything on your list of vsti's, the ohmforce plugs are incredible!!!
finally(i'll shut up in a minute), nobody seems to have mentioned the fact that 10.2 takes 1gb of hard drive space AND an hour!!! to install.
what's that all about?

[kamilof]

I've installed OS X 10.2 over a OS X 10.1.5 (with the install option "clean install + keep current users") and it went smoothly in 40 minutes tops (even being a two CDs installation) !

Now OS X 10.2 is not only faster and rock-solid stable (no crashes ever) but the CoreAudio and CoreMIDI have been enhanced.

Apple hired the guys of OPCODE responsible for the OMS development and now under OS X 10.2 you have a MIDI Manager where you set up your MIDI Setup in a graphic way (this is important to me at least, I do have real synths and samplers).

Now Logic 5.3 running under OS X is a dream come true. So far, I think OS X 10.2 is the future. And the future is now !