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Francois Déchery
post Sat 7 Dec 2002, 03:17
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We may be spoiling your day with the news that has been spoiling ours for quite some time : MacMusic will most probably not be able to continue anymore. Attempts to finance it through advertisements have failed and plans are to close the site in February.

MacMusic in the past...
MacMusic has been thriving for five years thanks to the ongoing dedication of Soif, its founder who was gradually joined by a group of enthusiastic volunteers, known as "the Team".
MacMusic's success -10,000 visits per day - may be forcing the site to close down. The technical and practical means necessary to have a continually accessible and updated tool represent an investment that can no longer be supported, particularly financially speaking. Server, host, contents management, etc. all involve ever growing expenditures of money and time, that are no longer within the team's realm of possibility.

Hopes for the future...
Over the past few weeks, the team has been working on finding a solution that corresponds to the spirit of community underpinning YOUR site. We hope to work out within the next 10 days a proposition that we believe will retain the attention of all those who hope that MacMusic will not just become a good memory...

In this regard we need to know: what do you think about it ?
Your feedback is needed!


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lepetitmartien
post Thu 12 Dec 2002, 18:58
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We know that 60€/$ can be too much for some people (including me in my present situation, believe me), but if enough people are paying each this toll, we can keep the access to the site free. It is meant as a volontary contribution. We are securing the ways paiement could be made, we'll tell you when we'll know how exactly.

The "how much money do we need?" question, I would have liked that someone have asked. I will answer anyway:

We are now just over 8 000 members smile.gif
We have about 10 000 sessions each day (someone comes and browses, if he comes back later, it's a different session)
Our bandwith needs are multiplied by 5 each year
We are already using the services of a professional server in the USA.

To continue over 2003 we need: (it's in French Francs, it'll be in €/$ at the end, sorry)

- Server 24 000
- Domain names 1 000
- expenses 15 000
- webmaster (Soif) 192 000 (more on this bellow)

subtotal: 232 000 /year which is 35595 €/$

To cover server failures, the next attack from Venus, and the 10% we'll be taxed to have the money

==> about 40 000 €/$ for 2003 (262 382 F)

Why do we need to pay Soif?

Well, he's making right now all the coding that make MM rolling, he monitors the server (even reactivating it every 5 mn like last week end) etc. He payed all the costs until now (25 000 F the last 2 years) and because he's working on MM 26 hours on 24, he doesn't even have time to do his real job (sound designer/engineer). If we want the site to go on next year, Soif must be payed (it'll give him a 1500 €/$ monthly salary which is reasonable) or he'll simply have to work and no MM running then.

Now you have a picture of the budget we face.
If you have any questions? smile.gif


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- Soif   Macmusic, The End Of The Adventure   Sat 7 Dec 2002, 03:17
- - azusa   RE: Macmusic, The End Of The Adventure   Sat 7 Dec 2002, 03:42
- - Tone   For the multitude of people considering adopting t...   Sat 7 Dec 2002, 08:10
- - Doug Miner   I am a teacher, musician and Mac enthusiust who ha...   Sat 7 Dec 2002, 15:33
- - gogo   This forum and site are so incredibly useful to so...   Sat 7 Dec 2002, 20:03
- - danielfschroeder   While I still have no Mac and am trying to learn h...   Sat 7 Dec 2002, 20:52
- - ryosode   Hm... I am probably not the first one to admit tha...   Sat 7 Dec 2002, 22:00
- - Levon River   No one else anywhere provides the kind of comprehe...   Sun 8 Dec 2002, 07:53
- - lastmachine   Soif, what specific type of input do you want? Fo...   Mon 9 Dec 2002, 07:31
- - lastmachine   Perhaps also talk to MacAddict; an article there c...   Mon 9 Dec 2002, 07:40
- - lepetitmartien   Thanks everyone (and the next people who will post...   Mon 9 Dec 2002, 08:44
- - wonx   Although in principle I don't like it, I for o...   Mon 9 Dec 2002, 18:15
- - CircleTheA   YOU NEED TO SET UP A PAYPAL AND HAVE A CAMPAIGN OV...   Mon 9 Dec 2002, 18:16
- - holli   Surely Apple-friendly manufacturers should be fall...   Tue 10 Dec 2002, 01:12
- - Johnny Valium   I agree with Holly in that music technology compan...   Tue 10 Dec 2002, 13:11
- - Ionas   I will not waste time listing all the wonderful as...   Tue 10 Dec 2002, 14:38
- - ryosode   >"What do you want MM to do to be alive an...   Wed 11 Dec 2002, 03:40
- - Soif   thansk all for your feedback and support. Article...   Wed 11 Dec 2002, 04:19
- - Soif   We've just setup a poll to get a better idea o...   Wed 11 Dec 2002, 16:27
- - lepetitmartien   Well 3 voters representing a majority of members…...   Thu 12 Dec 2002, 02:06
- - kaboombahchuck   OK, I have voted! I was wondering if there m...   Thu 12 Dec 2002, 05:10
- - Johnny Valium   Well, I have not voted. 60 Euros are too much...   Thu 12 Dec 2002, 14:40
- - wonx   I'd like to participate in the poll, but come ...   Thu 12 Dec 2002, 22:41
- - bjkiwi   I'm with wonx, I would contribute but $60...   Fri 13 Dec 2002, 01:05
- - xingu   Thanks, LPM, for the clarification. Even though i...   Fri 13 Dec 2002, 02:18
- - lepetitmartien   thanks Xingu, it's always good news for the te...   Sat 14 Dec 2002, 20:21
- - jules   fine, fine, your justifications sounds reasonable....   Wed 18 Dec 2002, 18:50
- - ambitiouslemon   Hi Guys, Put away your wallets! I'm the...   Wed 18 Dec 2002, 19:43
- - xingu   Maybe disregard this - looks like ambitiouslemon w...   Wed 18 Dec 2002, 19:44
- - lepetitmartien   Sorry Xingu, but it's mandatory then (always ...   Thu 19 Dec 2002, 03:04
- - xingu   I stand corrected. Sorry for acting like a know-i...   Thu 19 Dec 2002, 04:06
- - lepetitmartien   No arm done (I can be a real smart ass when I wa...   Thu 19 Dec 2002, 04:34
- - Brad Brighton   We also would like to talk further to the MacMusic...   Fri 20 Dec 2002, 22:44
- - Mark K   I'm a recent visitor to MacMusic for the first...   Thu 26 Dec 2002, 04:42
- - lepetitmartien   Happy Near Yew everyone! Latest news from th...   Sat 4 Jan 2003, 01:30
- - Presto   Just back - great idea! I'm working on a s...   Tue 7 Jan 2003, 23:05
- - Rimmer   I have been a regular contributor to the Hitsquad ...   Mon 13 Jan 2003, 13:10
- - FUNKSTICK   In reply to the End of MacMusic; NOOooooooooooo...   Tue 14 Jan 2003, 07:04
- - FUNKSTICK   Alright Already, Before anybody gives me the ga...   Tue 14 Jan 2003, 07:28
- - Presto   Vive BatonFunk Hey! Why don't you write ...   Wed 15 Jan 2003, 13:48
- - Michael Christian   please don't go! M   Sun 19 Jan 2003, 05:19
- - gidfiddler   hey the other threads about making donations are c...   Sun 19 Jan 2003, 12:30
- - lepetitmartien   Thanks again everyone for your support. The secure...   Mon 20 Jan 2003, 08:51
- - Soif   we setup this solution: http://www.macmusic.org/a...   Wed 29 Jan 2003, 09:59


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