Protools--vs--????, lost in the digi jungle----HELP!! |
Sun 7 Jul 2002, 18:34
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i am starting from the ground up with a home studio ....i definitly want a mac i have my own website and as well as being a musician/composer...im also an artist
what i need to know is basicaly this;; what is the best and most cost efficant way to build a home studio that will be album quality and provide me with the warmth i enjoyed with 24 track 2'' tape --is this possible on a budget of a few grand or am i fooling myself??--------is protools the right way to go and what kind of mac is best 4 what im doing-----HELP PLEASE--- |
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Fri 15 Nov 2002, 03:25
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QUOTE Strange that often the classiest and most practical kit goes it's way into studios unnoticed whilst the problamatic kit gets loads of hot air expent on it!! I suppose if it works fine you can just lock up in the studio and get on with the business of creating strange and wonderful noises! -byme! They're seems to be unrest in the ranks! At least in some of the other forums about the severe dis-age of the 001. Like I said, you just don't hear motu users venting or even bothering to argue the finer details, it just does exactly what it says on the tin! I figure if they were just to drop the price it could be seen as a reasonable entry level card in a field without a huge amount of competition (this is why I'm keen to watch UAD, though this is a little higher up the ranking). I guess I just feel bad as I sold my 001 to a fellow macmusic member and pal and it don't run on his machine . It gave me serious gip half way though a film scoring job of some considerable scale, prompting some very late sessions. After a week of serious stress, it was fine ever more -just like Presto's experience and did as it was required. In terms of adding positive advice and constructive help, I owned one of the very first dual 500 g4's straight off the production line (the 'holy shit! how many plugins!' days) -with an 001, and with Teiwaz's help was able to solve alot of early bugs. Within several days, word spread and five more of the dual-baby's were in the hands of associates. I remember protools helpline staff being very grateful when I let them know about the trick of adding the 'z' to the digiINIT file and thus fixing the system hangs that occur on many systems. Also the occasional incompatibilty with USB printer drivers and their extension friends (what a pisser for printing orchestral parts from Logic ). Another biggy is that the 001 is very sensitive to upgrades that come from apple, if you have one of these little devils, my experience is always run an OS that comes straight off an installation disk. If you upgrade, by hook or by crook get hold of a complete new installer cd. If all goes horribly wrong, try a fresh system folder. It can be the only way to aleviate damage to system prefs and components that make the 001 function like the walking wounded! (I don't know what caused these errors, only that they don't happen any more ) So, I guess all considered its not too bad! I don't think anyone's particularly saying 'this is good or bad' etc 'do this or do that', everone works 'different' to the benefit of an enriched musical scene -but I think it's fantastic these forums go some way to preventing the trend of technology industries from isolating the customer and restricting knowledge of product functionality to the end of marketing campaigns (microsoft anyone?). Surely good gear sells itself. Presto, Selmer are just the same with saxes! Those new horns just don't play and they're sold on the reputation of those fine craftsman working in the early to mid 1900's - bought out by merging Adolf Saxes own company and staff, and some guys from Conn also. They weren't such good business men as the Selmer family but boy could they make a horn! When those chaps retired or passed on, 1960ish I reckon, there was noone left to make the tools and presses. Mark VI became the VII, pphheuughhh. Mines a super action hybrid by the way! It is essentially a VI but three years before production ran. I guess the tools were still being developed so it's pretty unique as much of the mods would have been hand made components, the bore of the body is not a usual S/A, broader like the VI's, so I guess that could be a one off as well! Sorry, I can't find a suitable lust-i-con to express with! Don't they just record better than newer horns as well, much more solidity and depth but also with lots of touchy-feely metal texture in the high freq's, 10k up. Are we allowed to talk about saxes by the way?! Hope it's ok to natter away, i'm just in one of those moods Damann, if you pick this up -can I ask you some advice on microphones/technique for recording sax? I'd love to learn more about this and share some stuff. Perhaps start a topic like Presto suggests? Anyways, see you all in the UAD interface forum. Holli x |
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midnight Protools--vs--???? Sun 7 Jul 2002, 18:34
Mr.T You're fooling yourself indeed... Sorry but yo... Sun 7 Jul 2002, 23:41
damann in this game you're as good as your expertise... Tue 9 Jul 2002, 23:53
Eric Seaberg I have been a Sonic Solutions user for the past 5 ... Thu 11 Jul 2002, 06:34
damann my biggest dislike of digidesign is the fact that ... Fri 12 Jul 2002, 04:44
Mr.T QUOTE (damann @ Jul 12 2002, 05:44)if you... Fri 12 Jul 2002, 09:33
damann for your information mr t i work in all the big st... Fri 12 Jul 2002, 17:22
Mr.T QUOTE (damann @ Jul 12 2002, 18:22)you'll... Sat 13 Jul 2002, 12:35
Soif please, keep cool guys! peace... Sat 13 Jul 2002, 15:00
CeJeRo I personally have to say that I LOVE both ProTools... Sun 14 Jul 2002, 02:34
damann sound advice CeJeRo! 'though it's hard... Sun 14 Jul 2002, 19:26
Mr.T Amen... While we're here, has anyone seen this... Sun 14 Jul 2002, 22:32
Presto So, you want to set up a studio from scratch(?) an... Sun 11 Aug 2002, 21:58
lepetitmartien uh oh! Presto, what did you ate this evening? ... Mon 12 Aug 2002, 02:25
Presto Oops! I've gone an unglorious crimson colo... Mon 12 Aug 2002, 11:17
miss kiki teasing is great if the teaser and the teased are ... Mon 12 Aug 2002, 12:06
Mac1 To answer the mans original question, Yes you can ... Mon 12 Aug 2002, 16:51
Presto Yeah! Great! And I believe Mac 1 works mai... Fri 16 Aug 2002, 22:34
Presto I don't understand why there have been so few ... Sat 17 Aug 2002, 12:30
Mr.T QUOTE Or do you believe Mr T when he says you can... Sun 18 Aug 2002, 10:16
Presto I don't have much experience of tape sound qua... Sun 18 Aug 2002, 17:00
III777III VERY old NEWS there are several MILLION people fr... Mon 19 Aug 2002, 06:16
Mr.T QUOTE (III777III @ Aug 19 2002, 07:16)VERY ol... Mon 19 Aug 2002, 09:19
rickenbacker I don't think it matters what gear you're ... Tue 20 Aug 2002, 11:23
Presto "VERY old NEWS" As Mr T says so rightly... Tue 20 Aug 2002, 13:28
buryya To continue beating a dead horse on whether a comm... Wed 21 Aug 2002, 02:50
Mr.T The dead horse is coming alive...good points here.... Wed 21 Aug 2002, 08:59
Synthetic I personally... I think you can record an excellen... Wed 21 Aug 2002, 20:33
damann didn't i say all of this in the first place? ... Sun 25 Aug 2002, 03:23
burns ahhhhhhhh children !!!!!!... Mon 26 Aug 2002, 21:12
Mr.T Ohhhhhhh Newbie !!!!! Mon 26 Aug 2002, 23:48
Yukulele QUOTE (damann @ Aug 25 2002, 04:23)put mister... Tue 27 Aug 2002, 02:48
beezkneez hey i read that sting is recording right now using... Wed 25 Sep 2002, 11:30
damann hi beezkneez, what this means in reality is that h... Thu 26 Sep 2002, 01:55
rickenbacker On this subject, is anyone out there using an Mbox... Thu 26 Sep 2002, 10:42
damann a good point, yes, it works fine with logic. th... Thu 26 Sep 2002, 14:39
rickenbacker Hmm, interesting. I'm still caught in this wei... Fri 27 Sep 2002, 11:57
damann realistically, there is no limbo state, os9 provid... Sat 28 Sep 2002, 01:53
rickenbacker "the only reason to be making music with osx ... Sat 28 Sep 2002, 11:25
urbanmatador > "the only reason to be making music with... Sat 28 Sep 2002, 22:53
Teiwaz anyone have comparisions between those two (digi v... Sat 2 Nov 2002, 22:01
Teiwaz "you can currently buy a 24 track tape machin... Sat 2 Nov 2002, 23:25
holli right on teiwaz, the 2408 is a top piece of kit. O... Mon 11 Nov 2002, 05:27
Teiwaz Thank you, Holli. (By the way, Holli has an awesom... Wed 13 Nov 2002, 08:55
holli Haha, lovingly hand built in 1952 and it's nev... Thu 14 Nov 2002, 04:53
damann QUOTE (holli @ Nov 14 2002, 03:53)Haha, lovin... Thu 14 Nov 2002, 05:33
Presto I've got a nice Selmer alto sax from the 30... Thu 14 Nov 2002, 19:27
droltam well this should heat things up...... I work in a ... Fri 15 Nov 2002, 06:06
damann QUOTE (holli @ Nov 15 2002, 02:25)Damann, if ... Sat 16 Nov 2002, 02:09
Teiwaz Yes...rather annoying spurious background chatter.... Sat 16 Nov 2002, 11:55
Presto Bloody hell! Damann and Teiwaz! Should we... Sat 16 Nov 2002, 16:13
holli i can never really understand why people get obses... Sat 16 Nov 2002, 18:22
lepetitmartien Just a quick word to tell again that tis forum is ... Sat 16 Nov 2002, 19:42
holli hey, a. yes I did start another thread concernin... Sun 17 Nov 2002, 19:07
Teiwaz Now there's a man who knows his salt from his ... Sun 17 Nov 2002, 23:29
droltam Protools with Digi hardware sounds better than Cub... Mon 18 Nov 2002, 02:10
lepetitmartien For info, a smiley was missing in my post… correct... Mon 18 Nov 2002, 03:49
Tone [ I am an amateur who works with a home VST with ... Mon 18 Nov 2002, 08:01
Teiwaz In response to droltam's quote: "Protool... Tue 19 Nov 2002, 02:59
Mr.T You're fooling yourself indeed... Sorry but yo... Sun 7 Jul 2002, 23:41
damann in this game you're as good as your expertise... Tue 9 Jul 2002, 23:53
Eric Seaberg I have been a Sonic Solutions user for the past 5 ... Thu 11 Jul 2002, 06:34
damann my biggest dislike of digidesign is the fact that ... Fri 12 Jul 2002, 04:44
Mr.T QUOTE (damann @ Jul 12 2002, 05:44)if you... Fri 12 Jul 2002, 09:33
damann for your information mr t i work in all the big st... Fri 12 Jul 2002, 17:22
Mr.T QUOTE (damann @ Jul 12 2002, 18:22)you'll... Sat 13 Jul 2002, 12:35
Soif please, keep cool guys! peace... Sat 13 Jul 2002, 15:00
CeJeRo I personally have to say that I LOVE both ProTools... Sun 14 Jul 2002, 02:34
damann sound advice CeJeRo! 'though it's hard... Sun 14 Jul 2002, 19:26
Mr.T Amen... While we're here, has anyone seen this... Sun 14 Jul 2002, 22:32
Presto So, you want to set up a studio from scratch(?) an... Sun 11 Aug 2002, 21:58
lepetitmartien uh oh! Presto, what did you ate this evening? ... Mon 12 Aug 2002, 02:25
Presto Oops! I've gone an unglorious crimson colo... Mon 12 Aug 2002, 11:17
miss kiki teasing is great if the teaser and the teased are ... Mon 12 Aug 2002, 12:06
Mac1 To answer the mans original question, Yes you can ... Mon 12 Aug 2002, 16:51
Presto Yeah! Great! And I believe Mac 1 works mai... Fri 16 Aug 2002, 22:34
Presto I don't understand why there have been so few ... Sat 17 Aug 2002, 12:30
Mr.T QUOTE Or do you believe Mr T when he says you can... Sun 18 Aug 2002, 10:16
Presto I don't have much experience of tape sound qua... Sun 18 Aug 2002, 17:00
III777III VERY old NEWS there are several MILLION people fr... Mon 19 Aug 2002, 06:16
Mr.T QUOTE (III777III @ Aug 19 2002, 07:16)VERY ol... Mon 19 Aug 2002, 09:19
rickenbacker I don't think it matters what gear you're ... Tue 20 Aug 2002, 11:23
Presto "VERY old NEWS" As Mr T says so rightly... Tue 20 Aug 2002, 13:28
buryya To continue beating a dead horse on whether a comm... Wed 21 Aug 2002, 02:50
Mr.T The dead horse is coming alive...good points here.... Wed 21 Aug 2002, 08:59
Synthetic I personally... I think you can record an excellen... Wed 21 Aug 2002, 20:33
damann didn't i say all of this in the first place? ... Sun 25 Aug 2002, 03:23
burns ahhhhhhhh children !!!!!!... Mon 26 Aug 2002, 21:12
Mr.T Ohhhhhhh Newbie !!!!! Mon 26 Aug 2002, 23:48
Yukulele QUOTE (damann @ Aug 25 2002, 04:23)put mister... Tue 27 Aug 2002, 02:48
beezkneez hey i read that sting is recording right now using... Wed 25 Sep 2002, 11:30
damann hi beezkneez, what this means in reality is that h... Thu 26 Sep 2002, 01:55
rickenbacker On this subject, is anyone out there using an Mbox... Thu 26 Sep 2002, 10:42
damann a good point, yes, it works fine with logic. th... Thu 26 Sep 2002, 14:39
rickenbacker Hmm, interesting. I'm still caught in this wei... Fri 27 Sep 2002, 11:57
damann realistically, there is no limbo state, os9 provid... Sat 28 Sep 2002, 01:53
rickenbacker "the only reason to be making music with osx ... Sat 28 Sep 2002, 11:25
urbanmatador > "the only reason to be making music with... Sat 28 Sep 2002, 22:53
Teiwaz anyone have comparisions between those two (digi v... Sat 2 Nov 2002, 22:01
Teiwaz "you can currently buy a 24 track tape machin... Sat 2 Nov 2002, 23:25
holli right on teiwaz, the 2408 is a top piece of kit. O... Mon 11 Nov 2002, 05:27
Teiwaz Thank you, Holli. (By the way, Holli has an awesom... Wed 13 Nov 2002, 08:55
holli Haha, lovingly hand built in 1952 and it's nev... Thu 14 Nov 2002, 04:53
damann QUOTE (holli @ Nov 14 2002, 03:53)Haha, lovin... Thu 14 Nov 2002, 05:33
Presto I've got a nice Selmer alto sax from the 30... Thu 14 Nov 2002, 19:27
droltam well this should heat things up...... I work in a ... Fri 15 Nov 2002, 06:06
damann QUOTE (holli @ Nov 15 2002, 02:25)Damann, if ... Sat 16 Nov 2002, 02:09
Teiwaz Yes...rather annoying spurious background chatter.... Sat 16 Nov 2002, 11:55
Presto Bloody hell! Damann and Teiwaz! Should we... Sat 16 Nov 2002, 16:13
holli i can never really understand why people get obses... Sat 16 Nov 2002, 18:22
lepetitmartien Just a quick word to tell again that tis forum is ... Sat 16 Nov 2002, 19:42
holli hey, a. yes I did start another thread concernin... Sun 17 Nov 2002, 19:07
Teiwaz Now there's a man who knows his salt from his ... Sun 17 Nov 2002, 23:29
droltam Protools with Digi hardware sounds better than Cub... Mon 18 Nov 2002, 02:10
lepetitmartien For info, a smiley was missing in my post… correct... Mon 18 Nov 2002, 03:49
Tone [ I am an amateur who works with a home VST with ... Mon 18 Nov 2002, 08:01
Teiwaz In response to droltam's quote: "Protool... Tue 19 Nov 2002, 02:59
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