 Dp4 Is Not Tight!!!, BUG on DP3.xx&DP4 |
 Thu 12 Jun 2003, 13:17
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 Rookie  Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 28-Oct 02 From: Genève - CH Member No.: 8,839  |
As DP fans since it's first release, we disscussed this subject on the french forum .
Tests had been made by a large amount of DP4 and DP 3.xx users with 2408, 1224, midi express etc...and a lot agree that Motu has been unable to resolve this basic problem. On top of that, we have to admit that Motu's tech support really treat us like a..holes by never replying. We avoided using words like latency, extensions, interfaces, time stamping or any other configurations. Why? Because It's all about sloppy midi precision when using buffer 256 to 512. There's no sharp presision with ANY midi devices and too much offsets throug out a sequence of 10 mesures. If buffer 64 is best to have midi precision, then what's the interest of having a Dual G4 monster? A silly groove box is much more precise. OSx's Audio unit or Midi core has nothing to do with that unless you have problems with audio streaming, bussing, patching or plugins or read/write disk. PLEASE take 5mn to do this HORROR TEST with only 1 midi track and 1 audio track: 1- Program a short closed 16beat hihat sequence with an external AND midi device of your choice during 10 mesures. Use velocity64 and decay64. make it as clean as possible. 2- Record your hihat during those mesures at tempo of your choice. 3- Open the audio edit window and zoom until you reach 30 ticks steps. You see better with vertical lines. 4- Edge edit the first beat of your soundbite and make sure to stick it sharply on the vertical line. Your first recorded hihat should start at 1/1/000. 5- Scroll side ways on each 16 beat through out those 10 mesures. You can also use markers per beat to switch quickly and see the desaster on your screen. 6- Repeat the test using different buffers and/or different devices. Try it even with the Mac's internal click. 7-send an e-mail to Motu tech support. 8-If they don't reply, send the same one 30times. same result. To be honest, we called the official dealer in France and admitted that there is a serious problem that enables all users to switch from Motu to Emagic. PLEASE take 5mn to do this test so we could save Motu as much as possible. Can someone proove the contrary at buffer 512? Marc |
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 Fri 13 Jun 2003, 04:06
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 Moderator In Chief (MIC)  Group: Editors Posts: 15,189 Joined: 23-Dec 01 From: Paris - FR Member No.: 2,758 |
Cool, a MOTU contest
  Seriously, THIS SHOULD BE FIXED. Motu advertise on it's precision by the sample. It seems to be still to be proved. (btw, I'm a little tiny shy DP user, and I'm ASHAMED of this) MOTU, wake up!  Come on, give us your observations! -------------------- Our Classifeds • Nos petites annonces • Terms Of Service / Conditions d'Utilisation • Forum Rules / Règles des Forums • MacMusic.Org & SETI@Home
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Sun 15 Jun 2003, 21:46
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Rookie Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 28-Oct 02 From: Genève - CH Member No.: 8,839 |
OK! DP's midi is defenitely sloppy, unusable, greedy and not worth.
Sorry to say it but Emagic and Cubase IS tight. We can feel it. There is defenitely Horrifying Midi problems on DP3xx and DP4. All that is relative to audio works perfectly. Better: Motu's Audio precision has brought up it's worst defect! THE MIDI SLOP. Do the test and forget about midi precision. Sorry guys but I'm ready to pay a few bucks if someons succeds in proving the contrary. Good luck for those who do techno. |
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Mon 16 Jun 2003, 16:29
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Rookie Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 28-Oct 02 From: Genève - CH Member No.: 8,839 |
Hey,
It looks as if everybody is wasting time in upgrading, buying, configuring and forgetting a few basics! Wake up guys! Music is not only Plugins, upgrades or other new drivers or gadjets... The french forum is already in this very hot topic. You're way back!!!!Wait & see for yourself. PLEASE! DO THE SOSO TEST and you'll Hear and See what it's all about before talking about latency, patches, or power. Lets start this DP contest... Best Regards Marc |
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Sun 22 Jun 2003, 17:04
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Rookie Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 28-Oct 02 From: Genève - CH Member No.: 8,839 |
HI!
You are all about 112 to see the desaster!  The french forum is sarting to get really hot and burning with this question (more than 2000 visits!!!)  Now the real dark side of Motu is revealed. Take a look to the test of the first message and you'll see! There's a new upgrade of DP4 and mac five. Motu is still descrete about this question of sloppy midi timing.  STILL EMAGIC is Tighter than DP4. Even if you use: NI, Bitheadz, plugsound, etc... But what about mac five? Does anyone have already Mac five? Did the easy horror test work? Is it successful? Better timing than other Virtual instruments? Please, share us your comments so I can transcribe it to the french forum. They are waiting....
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