From 5.1 Surround Mix To Dvd Audio, how to & what to use Options

[gordonmarsh]

Greetings,

Forgive me if this issue has been addressed on macmusic.org, but I've failed to find anything on the archives.

I'm using Cubase SX3 to create 5.1 mixes of original compositions and to add sound to video, all of which I want to produce on DVD. I've only recently noted the difference between burning and authoring, and only recently have a realized that Cubase SX3 appears NOT to have the necessary Dobly encoder to get my mix to DVD. In short, from what I can tell now, Cubase SX requires a $1000 Dolby/DTS decoder plug-in, the same plug-in that's found in Nuendo ($2000). Ouch! Perhaps, if I invest in Final Cut Pro, I wouldn't need to add the plug-in to Cubase - and for the low low price of $1300. Whee!!!

QUESTIONS:

1. Am I right so far? Are things better with either Digital Performer or Logic Audio? I suspect it's the same situation. I'm using Cubase, because I have to work on both Windows and Mac. Bummer.

2. What's the best (most efficient, economical) product/method for me to get from creation to product?

3. If I invest in Final Cut Pro (the only place one can get DVD Studio Pro), will I be able to load my exported Cubase 5.1 mixdown into DVD Studio Pro and author a DVD there, since Studio Pro appears to include the necessary decoder?

My Set-Up
Dual 2.3 GHz PowerPC G5 with 2 GB RAM (OSX 10.4.5)
MOTU 828 Firewire Audio (bundled with Glyph MProject external hard disk)
DVD writer/burner: SONY DVD RW DW-Q28A

I've spent a lot of time on line and reading articles, and I can't find a straight-out description of how to complete the step from mix to DVD. Information from someone would be a welcome revelation!


Thanks in advance!

[aramis]

Greetings,

Forgive me if this issue has been addressed on macmusic.org, but I've failed to find anything on the archives.

I'm using Cubase SX3 to create 5.1 mixes of original compositions and to add sound to video, all of which I want to produce on DVD. I've only recently noted the difference between burning and authoring, and only recently have a realized that Cubase SX3 appears NOT to have the necessary Dobly encoder to get my mix to DVD. In short, from what I can tell now, Cubase SX requires a $1000 Dolby/DTS decoder plug-in, the same plug-in that's found in Nuendo ($2000). Ouch! Perhaps, if I invest in Final Cut Pro, I wouldn't need to add the plug-in to Cubase - and for the low low price of $1300. Whee!!!

QUESTIONS:

1. Am I right so far? Are things better with either Digital Performer or Logic Audio? I suspect it's the same situation. I'm using Cubase, because I have to work on both Windows and Mac. Bummer.

2. What's the best (most efficient, economical) product/method for me to get from creation to product?

3. If I invest in Final Cut Pro (the only place one can get DVD Studio Pro), will I be able to load my exported Cubase 5.1 mixdown into DVD Studio Pro and author a DVD there, since Studio Pro appears to include the necessary decoder?

My Set-Up
Dual 2.3 GHz PowerPC G5 with 2 GB RAM (OSX 10.4.5)
MOTU 828 Firewire Audio (bundled with Glyph MProject external hard disk)
DVD writer/burner: SONY DVD RW DW-Q28A

I've spent a lot of time on line and reading articles, and I can't find a straight-out description of how to complete the step from mix to DVD. Information from someone would be a welcome revelation!


Thanks in advance!

Have decided with what dvd authoring software you will use ?
You want DTS or Dollby surround with your video ?
That is the same with all the sequencers .....
You need an encoder to fabrik a DTS or Dolby surround track to embedded it in the video project ...(DVD)
Aramis

[gordonmarsh]

Thanks, Aramis. I appreciate the quick reply.

Apparently I'm on the right track after all this time in the dark.

DTS vs. Dolby
Perhaps folks on this forum might come foward and discuss the pros and cons of Dolby vs. DTS for DVD audio. (Does it matter that I want to be able to do BOTH audio-only DVDs and video DVDs? A student of mine claims that DTS is the way for me to go. What do others think?)

DVD Authoring Program
Does anyone have a suggestion for a DVD authoring program besides Final Cut Pro's DVD Studio Pro? Anyone know if the "bronze" or "silver" dicsWelder - http://www.discwelder.com/ - will produce a decent enough DVD to audition mixes in a small hall? I'm not marketing this music at this time, just want to listen to the mixes in a space I have access to.

Clock Rate
One last question: I've been doing all my work in 44.1 kHz - but now I gather that, if I'm aiming for DVD, I should be working in 48 kHz. Is it possible to move between the two? (I've never paid attention to the clock until now.)

This may be too many questions for one post - but perhaps there are others out there with some of these questions...?

[manso]

Sorry of my english, i´m writing from spain.
I´ve made 5,1 mixes with cubase, exporting the audio as AIF (6 separate chanels).
For authoring i´m using DVD studio 3.
You can import your 6 audio tracks in "compresor" (the decoder that comes with DVDstudio) an convert them to AC3 (the audio format that you need to use in DVDstudio).
I´ve record this way a dvd an when i put it in a home/domestic dvd player my left chanel was left chanel, the front chanel was in the front speaker, the left surround was in the left surround , etc..
I hope this will help

PD: try recording in 48, anyway, DVDstudio will convert the audio to 48

[gordonmarsh]

Thanks, Manso from Spain - it helps to hear from a Cubase user. I read somewhere (perhaps on this forum) that DVD Studio 3 doesn't work on OSX 10.4 and that DVD Studio Pro is no longer available separately, but ONLY as part of the Final Cut Studio suite ($1299) - this is confirmed by searching the web and Apple. diskWelder Silver (web site on previous link) is abot the same price as Apple's DVD Studio Pro, so I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has used this program... I assume it works like the Apple program...

[aramis]

Thanks, Aramis. I appreciate the quick reply.

Apparently I'm on the right track after all this time in the dark.

DTS vs. Dolby
Perhaps folks on this forum might come foward and discuss the pros and cons of Dolby vs. DTS for DVD audio. (Does it matter that I want to be able to do BOTH audio-only DVDs and video DVDs? A student of mine claims that DTS is the way for me to go. What do others think?)

DVD Authoring Program
Does anyone have a suggestion for a DVD authoring program besides Final Cut Pro's DVD Studio Pro? Anyone know if the "bronze" or "silver" dicsWelder - http://www.discwelder.com/ - will produce a decent enough DVD to audition mixes in a small hall? I'm not marketing this music at this time, just want to listen to the mixes in a space I have access to.

Clock Rate
One last question: I've been doing all my work in 44.1 kHz - but now I gather that, if I'm aiming for DVD, I should be working in 48 kHz. Is it possible to move between the two? (I've never paid attention to the clock until now.)

This may be too many questions for one post - but perhaps there are others out there with some of these questions...?

There is three kind of surround format ....

Dolby is the most compressed usually .....

DTS can be the less compressed and that why it is more precise ...

And finally you have the non-compressed one .....that you find in dvd-a ....

44khz is needed to put DTS on a CD

48khz is needed to put it on dvd ....

Discwelder does not do any compressed one ....It does put non-compressed surround ou stereo tracks on the dvd ...

In the case you could be interested , I am starting a user group on surround ....

Send me your email adress to MarcelJacques1@mac.com

Aramis