No Midi, use of OSX Options

[Deigh]

Hi there,
I have owned a Yamaha UX16 for two years and have been completely unable to make it work on either my iMac or my G4 powerbook. The programs I need to use it for are "Encore" and "Band in a Box". This weekend I have tried it for the first time on a PC, a Toshiba Satellite, and it worked, playing my Technics KN200.

For many years I've used the combination of MAC computer and KN2000 to play midi using the programs Encore and Band-in-a-box. This has been with older computers like the LC3 and the powerbook series but they are wearing out and I need to upgrade to OSX. I can't get any midi activity either in or out from iMac or G4. Has anyone any idea why, or better still can someone who has beaten this problem tell me how they did it? I have OMS installed but it just produces crashes.

Deigh Davies New Zealand

[azusa]

First of all OMS is for OS9. It doesn't belong in OS X.
In OSX , once you plug a USB interface in, go to Applications folder -> Utilities -> Audio MIDI Setup.
Open the Audio MIDI Setup. if you don't see UX16 in there, try to scan it.

[Deigh]

Hi there,
Thanks for reply. I m actually using the OS9.2 version of the iMac since I have no music programs designed for OSX, sorry for not explaining this properly. on the G4 I use the classic face.

On your advice I searched out the UX16 icons, they were in the extensions folder, I copied them into the utilities folder and restarted. There is still no recocnition of the UX16 in the sound in/out file.

There is no Audio MIDI setup in the utilities folder. A search for the name using Fast Find failed to find anything in the computer.



Deigh Davies New Zealand

[azusa]

Oh! that completely different,
So you have the UX16 extension, that's good.
First thing, you need to trash that driver you've just copied.
It's not suppose to be there, it has to be in the extension folder.

Then you need to set up MIDI. You can use OMS or FreeMidi to do it.
You can use one or another not both. I personnally prefer FreeMidi.

From the OMS or FreeMidi folder, you should have some kind of "Read Me" or PDF file that tells you exactly how to set up MIDI.
Follow the direction and you'll be fine.

[ourmanflinty]

Umm..are you actually booting into OS9 or just using classic on the g4, classic won't work. You must set to boot from an OS9 folder in 'startup disk'.

Does OMS see the UX16. Have you got the latest / last version of OMS, 2.3.8? The OMS folder in the system folder must contain the usb midi manager and a driver for your UX16.

Did you put the G4 and iMac Mac OS9 on yourself, have you run Norton Disk Doctor or disk first aid recently, does the mac crash anyway without running OMS setup?

[coldharbour]

You must set to boot from an OS9 folder in 'startup disk'.

That is correct.

What kind of iMac and PowerBook are you using? The more recent models can not boot to OS9.

I think the last OS9 bootable PowerBook G4 was the 1 GHz / 867 MHz (introduced Nov'02) with PowerPC 7455 processor, and the last OS9 bootable iMac was the 800 MHz model (introduced Jan'02) with PowerPC 7450 processor.

[ourmanflinty]

Hi Deigh, got your pm..

The only g4 desktop that won't boot into OS 9 is the FW800 model, all others will. I'm afraid OMS will not run under classic. Try and find 'startup disk' in system preferences and go from there.

OMS 2.3.8 get it here...
macmusic midi d/loads

Re-install OMS 2.3.8 and see how you get on.

Do you use 'universal access'..the 'turn on zoom' feature and the 'switch to white on black' work really well for a musician I know with vision difficulties?

[ourmanflinty]

Actually that's a dead link mate, try here...

sharewaremusicmachine

you really need to fix the crashing if possible, then you can work from a stable place.

[Deigh]

Eyes no problem now, had second op yesterday and can now read computer screen without glasses! first time for 40 years!!
but will have to take it easy reading OMS pamphlet for a few days.

I have no music programs yet for OSX, my G4 is still away bein fixed so am going to concentrate on getting iMac to work midiwise using OS9
thanks for all help sofar
unable to download latest OMS, went through the procedures but computer quoted "Cant find path" (or somthing like that)
Deigh

[Deigh]

OK I surrender. Two days of experimentation and still no midi on my iMac os9. I'm giving up and going back to the old LC3 with A4 screen and my powerboook 190.
Out of date technology Yes, I know, but it does work!
My G4 returned from repairer and promplty crashed agin. I'm hoping to get the retailer to take it back.
Thanks to everyone for their help. I've learned a lot, but obviously not enough.

Does anyone know of a midi swop site where I can donate my arrangements for Encore and downoad others?
Deigh Davies

[ourmanflinty]

whatever works is good..I know people who run Failight CMI's from Atari 1040's..

it doesn't sound like your rep[air shop are up to much..generally a PC repair centre won't have a clue about Apples, have a look in the phone book and find a local mac tech who can come see you. You may also get a book off amazon or similar which can take you through some stuff.

[kevinr]

There may not be anything wrong with your G4. As stated above, are you booting up in OS 9? Running Classic won't do. In my experience, nearly all my crashes in OS9 were due to running out of RAM. Anything less than 512 is insufficient for music and graphic work IMHO.
After that, setting up drivers and studio set-up in OMS can be frustrating. You must do everything in the correct sequence.

[lepetitmartien]

The only way to run some midi software in Classic (not OS 9, Classic!!!) is to use a MIDI interface not recognised by OS X and you have to be able to install OMS in classic, which can be tricky. It's just a way to create difficulties instead of making thing simpler (it's a trick for the Nord Modular editor).

In OS 9, my major source of crashes was Explorer and Outlook… Next it was ATM. (just did the trick again last week the b…d)

Deigh, if you want some help, we really need to know which mac you are talking about, imac G4 just won't do… if it's not a speed demon, it's better to run it under in OS 9, as OS X will just pump its juice and it'll crawl. There is NO reason it shouldn't be able to talk in MIDI with your keyboard as long as we can tell you the best solution.

Also, if you have freeMIDI installed over OMS and you are not using any MOTU software, just get rid of it. it'll just f…k things up nicely.

Also, to install OMS and the interface properly, uninstall OMS and the eventual driver completely then install OMS first. OMS is temperamental so be nice with him.

[Deigh]

Thanks, but as you can see I've given up!!! have just spent too long trying to get midi. My G4 came back from repair and promplty crashed again, so I'm pretty disallusioned about Mac at the moment. My iPod lasted thirteen months and then crashed completely, fortunately I'd taken a five year extended warranty so it was replaced. This is not good enough, when I'm playing professionally I can't have my equipment failing like that.
I've gone back to my LC3 and powerbook 190 which although slow and small screened at least work!

I have another request. My OSX is version 10.1.5 and I can't upgrade QuickTime without upgrading to 10.2. Where do I get upgrades from ?

[deaconblue]

Deigh,

You should be able to get OMS from this link:

Open Music Systems Download v2.8.3

The iMac should work just as well as the PowerBook especially with USB for the UX16. The CD-ROM that ships with the UX 16 has the 2.6.3 version of OMS on it.

Sorry to hear you are having such a bad run of luck with your Macs. I had just the opposite, similar issues with the PCs I had.

To upgrade to Mac OS X v10.2.x you are going to have to find a store that still is stocking 10.2. You may have better luck with Mac OS X v10.3. Currently Mac OS X v10.4 is shipping. Try Amazon or a local Mac reseller/retail store to get a copy of the upgrade software. Usually runs about $129USD.

Hope your Mac problems are solved soon.

Good luck.

deacon

This post has been edited by deaconblue: Sat 11 Jun 2005, 23:19

[Deigh]

Thanks for comments. I was hoping to get into garageband to see what it can do, I've reached a bit of a stalemate with midi on Encore. I need to add extra voices to the music and at the moment am having to do it by guesswork rather than skill.

I've been using the PB100 setup now for a few years and it sounds OK. however I want to progress as it is a little boring to me as it stands.

Have you any idea where I can download .mid files of standards? All I can find is midi music which I dont want. I'm prepared to upload my arrangements of evergreens in exchange.
Regards
Deigh