Multiple Core Audio Devices? Options

[IGBscott]

Is Logic ever going to support multiple core audio devices? Is there anyone else out there that is completely frustrated with not being able to use multiple audio interfaces with Logic Audio in OSX?

[pdgood]

Well, DP4 just recently has supported any virtual instruments at all and after almost 3 weeks with tech support I've yet to get it to recognize my sampler! So yours is not the only surprise out there. I've said this over and over.....music on the computer is not where it should be. What we need is one manufacturer to make (or host) a fully integrated suite that works together - computer/midi interface/sequencer/sampler. Then maybe the forums won't be full of bug reports and complaints and we can get back to the business of making music.

[editbrain]

http://www.openlabs.com/neko.php

here is your all-in-one

[sahara]

Hey,

The OSX update to 10.4 is going to deal with alot of this stuff with Core Audio. additional tracks etc. if I understand your complaint.

I use DP and Logic and have no problems like you are describing. Usually it's something simple that I have overlooked. Sorry you are having trouble.


http://www.thinksecret.com/news/macosx1034.html article below pasted includes Core Audio info for 10.3.4

Apple seeds Mac OS X 10.3.4


By Nick dePlume, Publisher and Editor in Chief
April 21, 2004 - Apple this week seeded the first pre-release build of Mac OS X 10.3.4, its fourth minor Panther update. The seed was labeled build 7H41 and was released to developers on Tuesday.

In a seed note, Apple said Version 10.3.4 should provide a performance gain when launching non-prebound applications. In addition, the update includes several changes that may affect device compatibility, specifically, TWAIN scanners, USB Flash Media, SCSI drives, iPods, and some PCMCIA cards. The update also reportedly incorporates updates relating to Audio FireWire and USB 2.0 connectivity for the iPod.

Version 10.3.4 also includes changes to Core Audio, OpenGL, Graphics, Core OS, and the High Level Toolbox, Apple told developers.

Apple also specified several known issues with the latest build involving Quartz Extreme and DVD playback, Safari table rendering, redraw problems, display resolutions, and System Profiler.

[rickenbacker]

PowerMac G4 + MOTU 828 + Logic Pro + Peak + tons of plug-ins = a fully integrated suite that works together. Works for me.

[editbrain]

rickenbacker,

I like your style!

happy recording,

editbrain

[rickenbacker]

[Blushes]

Why, thank you. My system and I have been very happy together for many months. We sure make sweet music together.

[gdoubleyou]

Have to agree with Rickenbacker on the Logic integration. Saving my pennies for the Pro upgrade.

DP4 still needs a little tuneup with it's AU detection. pdgood you didin't say which sampler you are using.

I'm in the same boat with samplers and DP4, VSamp crashes the AU check, the EXSP24, and EVP73 oass the test but CRASH DP. Ont he other hand I haven't been able to get the Logic AUs to work with other hosts.



Currntly only DP4 supports multiple audio interfaces from different companies on OSX

This post has been edited by gdoubleyou: Wed 28 Apr 2004, 19:03

[pdgood]

gdoubleu - I'm using Kontakt and having trouble getting DP4 to see it. I also have Cubase VST32 which sees it just fine but has crash problems.
Rickenbacker....I wanted to go to Logic, but they offer no cross grade whatsoever and the Pro version is $1000. That is steep. Plus the interface you mention is excellent but is far more than I require for my situation and therefore also pricey. All I am trying to accomplish is to get sequencer and sampler to work together on my Mac. It sounds easy, but it just isn't happening. DP has AU problems, Kontakt has DFD problems, Cubase has crash problems and is a PC priority company, Logic Pro has no crossgrade and you have to buy all that extra software even if you only need the sequencer. Logic Express isn't full featured.
It took 30 days to get Cubase running on my computer. The Steinberg tech guys couldn't figure out the problem. Finally someone on a forum gave me the answer. Now I'm 3 weeks into battling DP and tech support still can't figure out why it doesn't see my sampler. These are the issues that no consumer should ever have to face. I only purchase major brands and I buy from reputable dealers. This is not to be snobby, it's because code is usually written to work with the major manufacturers first. There should be no exuse. These are not little bugs...these are big features that render the product useless for anyone that uses them. All I'm saying is - products should work as advertised. I don't think I should have to spend an extra $1000 because someone's advertised claims aren't true.
grrrrrr. OK, I got that off my chest. <calming down now> LOL

[rickenbacker]

That's it, pd - think calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean!

A lot of what you say is fair comment, though. Sadly, too many companies rush a product to market ahead of getting it rock-solid first. Steinberg in particular seem guilty of that. Their forum (cubase.net, I think) is full of disgruntled users. I had SX for a while and although I did quite like it, it was too buggy to rely on.

So yes, $1,000 is a (heck of a) lot to spend on music software, but with Logic Pro you get everything - and it all works. Sequencer, sampler, synths, plug-ins - it's all good. Believe me, you might think you have no need for a Hammond emulation or a vocoder, but you'll still find yourself using them!

With Logic, even if you have a simple 2 in/2 out USB interface, you'll still have precious few headaches. Why not start with Express? Or look out for a secondhand copy of v5 Pro that includes the XSKey, then upgrade. That's how I got my copy of Logic Pro - I bought a PC user's v5 pack who was switching to SX.

It is odd that Emagic don't offer any crossgrades or even a demo, though. They did for a while when Apple bought them out, but nothing since. I suppose you need an XSKey to run Logic, so demos would be difficult.

I'm still waiting for the fabled 6.4 upgrade that will apparently directly support Apple Loops. It was rumoured to be out for end of February. No sign yet.

[Barb]

I just got funding to purchase 20 copies of Logic Pro for my iMac (G4) MIDI Lab. I spent HOURS researching and testing products and let me tell you, it is a scary experience deciding which $6000 (educational discount) package to go with. I have used MOTU's FreeStyle for years here and love it as an educational tool. It is writen so poorly that it doesn't work right on the Mac Manager network at school and MOTU's support for this product STINKS. Time to move my kids into the 21 cent and add audo to the mix for my advanced classes.

Your recent posts are easing my anxieties about my purchase which gets delivered in the next 2 weeks. I am, however concerned about the operatiing system we are using. We are FINALLY upgrading from OS 9.2 to OSX.2 over the summer. My under standing is that the Mac Manager OS X.2 is more stable than the Panther (so the tech guys say). You all think OS X.2 is gonna be OK for the Logic Pro?

Also, I've got a mixed bag here as far as modules. We have the Radium 61 hooked up to the Yamaha MU50 sound module. We also have some Roland XP10s and some JV30s. Any forseen problems hooking up these modules into Logic?

Thanks guys!

[td3k]

My under standing is that the Mac Manager  OS X.2 is more stable than the Panther (so the tech guys say).

Barb, If your client machines are running 10.2 they will not be managed by Macintosh Manager, they will be managed in "Workgroup Manager" which is a completely different animal. What version of Server are you running? 10.3 or 10.2. ? If you want to manage them in simple finder, 10.3 is much better than the implementation in 10.2, in my experience.

I manage about 5 Labs of 10.3 clients with simple finder from 10.3 server. Next year we will switch the students to a regular restricted finder as many apps don't play nice with management.

Some very good resources for Mac admins can be found here.
http://www.macosxlabs.org/
and here, http://www.bombich.com/

Hope that helps,

TD

[zelen0]

10.3 would make things much better in the long term. If you guys can afford the 10.3 upgrade it's worth every penny. especially with Logic Pro.

[Artist]

http://www.openlabs.com/neko.php

here is your all-in-one

IMO That's a stupid idea

1. It's windows
2. Although it does offer space for upgrading, it's not enough and as it's all in one if you want to replace one part your just going to have another box sitting next to it.

[zelen0]

Actually the opensynth is a wickedly cool idea. As soon as Linux or BSD is ported to it, you'll see a new age of music

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these...

[editbrain]

zelen0, you posted right befor i got a hit submit. i went back to my email and saw a topic reply notification.

i agreee that is tainted because of windows, i personally would not use the neko at this time. unless i was using something like sonar or cubase and had to do a live show and did not want to bring my studio out to a gig. then the neko would be very helpful. also seems that openlabs has some linux based software that you can use, and if i am not mistaken you can use vst in linux. so if it were true that the linux software daw that neko has put together is stable you could have your self a really cool piece of gear. that would kinda give the personal/project studio a new twist.
space saving, no need for an external laptop/desktop, built-in audio controler, midi controller, touch screen, keyboard and mouse. sounds pretty sick to me. maybe i will check it out after all.

editbrain

This post has been edited by editbrain: Sat 1 May 2004, 18:48