I'm goint to be upgrading to the OS X version of DP when it arives, however to complete my OS X switch, i need something to play vst instraments. on OS 9 there's a cheap freeware program (ugly VSTi i think it's called) that does the job, anybody know of something like that on OS X?

-Chris

Sorry, but old VSTs & VSTis are dead on MacOS X... At least they have to be rewritten for it. Unsopported ones will definitely die, IMHO.
I don't know if a wrapper could exist, it's probably all about Core Audio and Audio Unit. Any develloper, here?

Is there any other virtual instrument apart Reason 2 under OS X?
Hints please.

BTW, what's ugly-VST? I know of VST-Wrapper (AudioEase) and Pluggo (Cycling'74), that's all...

Bye.

http://www.refx.net/products/Claw.htm

and...

http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/

I forgot to add that they are both free!

ugly vst is actually a sdk for vst developers!
ignore it!
a red herring as we say in the u.k.
i'm waiting for a "audiounits" wrapper, surely the near future?

Thanks for the links formatj. We need more AU and more OS X VSTs. especially if it's GPL or freeware...

Damann, concerning a wrapper for old vst/mas/rtas plugins, i heard from a french develloper (BusError, are you reading this?) that it's purely and simply impossible to do... The man stated that only 6 VST plugins are running under OS X at the moment, is it true? Does that include the Refx and Greeoak ones, pointed by formatj?

Any hints about this, technically speaking? Will we ever have a wrapper for CoreAudio, ie usable with DP, just to name one?

Bye.

hi yukulele,
firstly, there are many more than 6 vst plugs running under osx, destroy fx offer that many alone, all ohmforce plugs too, greenoak definitely, including crystal. i own some refx vsti's and love them, but no news yet from them (isn't quadrasid great?).
i haven't had a chance to check any of these out because i use logic, unfortunately.
finally, i have to be honest and say that i've been lazy about the core audio/vst wrapper concept, i have a couple of plugs of my own design sitting on the shelve at the moment. i do feel that re-compiling as objective c++ will be relatively easy, and can't personally see the problem with the wrapper concept, where there's a will there's a way? maybe not, i'll look into it.
hey, buserror! i get the feeling that you might have a good insight here.
peace, later...

Thanks Damann, just let us know for your insights concerning a wrapper for VST/MAS/RTAS/AS -> AudioUnit: doable, undoable?
BusError told me: IMPOSSIBLE, NO WAY, FORGET IT... (he's a mac os x dev)
Please tell him he's wrong ;-)

What do YOU think concerning core/midi audio and the AU concept, from a dev's point of view?

Bye.

PS: do you think a MacMusic dedicated forum for dev/programming would be usefull? French and English mixed alltogether (with english as chosen langage)?
I only know of 3 devs right here: you, Celmo (french only), and BusError... Any others reading this? Feel free to come in.

In fact, i made a big mistake, BusError was talking about 6 Audio Units, all made by Apple.

Bye.