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Posted by: moi180102 Fri 21 Apr 2006, 12:53
I'm trying to make the DP 4.5 works on a MacBook Pro 2.0/1Ghz. I can open any session, car hear any soundbite selection. Still, I can open, see and manage any window. The problems are:
1. The program doesn't recocgnize the input and output of CoreAudio at the same time.
2. When I press the play button, the program just crashes.
I decided to buy the MacBook Pro because the called Roseta, that is defined by Apple as a kind of translator to the new Intel Chip. Ok! What can I do now. I'm working with my old PowerBook 667/512 because no of my audio programs works properly. Some of them works, but so much slowly in MacBooK then the Powerrbook. So, be warned. The Roseta is not that miracle...
Posted by: Tom Attix Fri 21 Apr 2006, 14:08
Welcome to bleeding edge hardware. DP5 is either out or will be next week. I think if you'd done your homework, you'd have realized that Rosetta wasn't a miracle and wasn't presented as one.
Posted by: lancet Fri 21 Apr 2006, 15:44
yea, Rosetta won't do a good job with programs the rely heavily on altivec , if at all.
that means any DAW. Apple flat out states that none of the their Pro apps work with rosetta and that any app that does real time processing won't work very well.
So you have to wait until you Apps are released as Universal binary.
for more.... http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/universal_binary/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002217
under the Rosetta section..
"Rosetta does not run the following:
Applications built for any version of the Mac OS earlier than Mac OS X —that means Mac OS 9, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 7, and so forth
The Classic environment
Screensavers written for the PowerPC architecture
Code that inserts preferences in the System Preferences pane
Applications that require a G5 processor
Applications that depend on one or more PowerPC-only kernel extensions
Kernel extensions
Java applications with JNI libraries
Java applets in applications that Rosetta can translate; that means a web browser that Rosetta can run translated will not be able to load Java applets."
Posted by: moi180102 Fri 21 Apr 2006, 23:14
that means any DAW. Apple flat out states that none of the their Pro apps work with rosetta and that any app that does real time processing won't work very well.
So you have to wait until you Apps are released as Universal binary.
for more.... http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/universal_binary/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002217
under the Rosetta section..
"Rosetta does not run the following:
Applications built for any version of the Mac OS earlier than Mac OS X —that means Mac OS 9, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 7, and so forth
The Classic environment
Screensavers written for the PowerPC architecture
Code that inserts preferences in the System Preferences pane
Applications that require a G5 processor
Applications that depend on one or more PowerPC-only kernel extensions
Kernel extensions
Java applications with JNI libraries
Java applets in applications that Rosetta can translate; that means a web browser that Rosetta can run translated will not be able to load Java applets."
Thanks so much for your help.
Posted by: moi180102 Sat 22 Apr 2006, 02:49
This sounds familiar to you. I've picked from Apple site. So take your own conclusions. I'm Brazilian and in my country is very hard nd expensive to get one of these. E.G., a MacBook Pro simply costs U$ 7.000,00. I think it has to work imediatly. Thanks for your opinion.
"Software just works
When Mac technology makes something easy, it’s hardly news. So here’s more non-news for MacBook Pro owners: software just works. If you see the Universal logo on a new application, that means it will run on Intel- and PowerPC-based Mac computers. For most existing applications, you simply do what you’ve always done: double-click them. Thanks to the Rosetta technology in Mac OS X, they look and feel just like they did before (1)."
Posted by: lancet Sat 22 Apr 2006, 05:08
"Software just works
When Mac technology makes something easy, it’s hardly news. So here’s more non-news for MacBook Pro owners: software just works. If you see the Universal logo on a new application, that means it will run on Intel- and PowerPC-based Mac computers. For most existing applications, you simply do what you’ve always done: double-click them. Thanks to the Rosetta technology in Mac OS X, they look and feel just like they did before (1)."
1. Get more information on Rosetta supported Apple software. Contact the manufacturer directly for 3rd party software.
Posted by: Tom Attix Sat 22 Apr 2006, 07:50
Sorry, but if you're going to get into high tech music making, you'd better learn to read beyond the hype. As a general rule, in software and in life, NOTHING ever works as advertised. If your going to drop 7K on a laptop, make sure it does what you want.
Posted by: azusa Sat 22 Apr 2006, 11:33
DP 4.5 is not compatible with Macintel, and neither DP5.
Posted by: moi180102 Sat 22 Apr 2006, 13:29
Ok. But the point is:
If MacBook is a high-end equipment, its target is exactly the people that uses the apps with problems. Other consumers can wait. We can't. Seems to me a strategy to sell more Apple apps. Look, Tomm, I'm a great Apple fan, but this time Apple didn't work as usual.
Posted by: deaconblue Sun 23 Apr 2006, 15:26
But, this is exaclty like when Apple moved from 68k machines to PPC machines. At first the apps were few and far between that would run natively. For almost a year, the bleeding edge users (think current pro-app users) had to either wait or experience lagging performance at best. Once the application manufacturers 'caught up', the platform move made a huge boost in performance for everyone. The PowerPC chip made the Mac a truly competitive platform in the PC market for speed and reliability and paved the way for the G3 - G5 chipsets.
We had these same issues when OS X was released. Apps had to be revved to work with Mac OS X. MOTU was one of the first to complete the transition to OS X, but it was well worth the wait (I remember running my G4 in OS 9 for quite a while, even after installing OS X on it so I could continue to record).
Now Intel based Macs.
FYI, all maunufacturers are provided with Apple hardware before it is released in order to build their applications and other goodies to work with the new platform, regardless of what it is (new chip, faster machine, G4 -> G5,etc). It is up to the manufacturer to have their apps ready. That the Intel based Macs were ready to ship 5 months ahead of the original schedule is *the* problem. But, what would you expect Apple to do? Hold off on being able to ship the new product because they did a better job of getting the units ready?
I completely understand your frustration in this, but this is the nature of technology. And, for the majority of items, the Mac and the software for it does "just work". Much more so than a PC based system. And since Apple doesn't code for complete backwards compatibility, you have faster performance and fewer problems long term.
The point is, I don't think you can lay all of this at the Apple door. But, again, I definiltey understand where you are coming from.
paz...
Posted by: moi180102 Sun 23 Apr 2006, 16:23
We had these same issues when OS X was released. Apps had to be revved to work with Mac OS X. MOTU was one of the first to complete the transition to OS X, but it was well worth the wait (I remember running my G4 in OS 9 for quite a while, even after installing OS X on it so I could continue to record).
Now Intel based Macs.
FYI, all maunufacturers are provided with Apple hardware before it is released in order to build their applications and other goodies to work with the new platform, regardless of what it is (new chip, faster machine, G4 -> G5,etc). It is up to the manufacturer to have their apps ready. That the Intel based Macs were ready to ship 5 months ahead of the original schedule is *the* problem. But, what would you expect Apple to do? Hold off on being able to ship the new product because they did a better job of getting the units ready?
I completely understand your frustration in this, but this is the nature of technology. And, for the majority of items, the Mac and the software for it does "just work". Much more so than a PC based system. And since Apple doesn't code for complete backwards compatibility, you have faster performance and fewer problems long term.
The point is, I don't think you can lay all of this at the Apple door. But, again, I definiltey understand where you are coming from.
paz...
PAZ!
Posted by: lancet Mon 24 Apr 2006, 14:04
You do realize that Apple never said that Rosetta will work with all Applications.
Apple only says that "most" applications will work and that is true. Rosetta is PERFECT for 90% of Apple's customers
It just so happens that our apps are the small subset of "all applications" that Rosetta doesn't work well with.
Posted by: gdoubleyou Mon 24 Apr 2006, 23:33
The Macbook does work wonderfully... if you have the proper software.
currently the on MacIntel DAWs are Garage Band3, Logic Express7.2, Logic Pro7.2, Sound Track Pro, and live 5.2.
As you can see most of the available products are from Apple, so in their eyes everything is peachy, keen. Other companies just have to catch up.
MOTU sez DP5 first, universal binary for D5, and Audiodesk is in the cue. No release date given. You are ahead of the power curve.
Posted by: deaconblue Tue 25 Apr 2006, 01:08
So, on a response from MOTU, it looks like a universal binary for DP5 should be available by end of second quarter 2006 (June to July time frame).
Passion runs high, especially when you drop $7k US on any system. Boa sorte, moi180102. Things could be worse. You could be using a no name PC with no support and no really good forum to turn to for more info or assistance.
peace.
Posted by: moi180102 Wed 26 Apr 2006, 22:46
Thanks everybody for your suport. Ok. Using a good PC is worse than using a bad Mac(if it's possible)
Posted by: moi180102 Thu 27 Apr 2006, 15:44
Passion runs high, especially when you drop $7k US on any system. Boa sorte, moi180102. Things could be worse. You could be using a no name PC with no support and no really good forum to turn to for more info or assistance.
peace.
Abraço do Brasil
Posted by: deaconblue Fri 28 Apr 2006, 05:16
Abraco do Austin. Maio o muse seja bom para você.
Posted by: dixiechicken Sun 30 Apr 2006, 12:34
Neither Digital Performer 4.0-4.12, 4.5-4.6.1 or for that matter Digital Performer 5.0 is in ANY way
guaranteed to work with Mac Intel (Core Duo) computers. MOTU has clearly said so.
As for INTEL Macs --
MOTU has promised a Universal Binary version of Digital Performer 5.x that will be
compatible with BOTH G5 IBM-PPC Macs and INTEL Macs (Core Duo).
This update is supposed to ship sometime in the second quarter 2006.
Cheers: Dixiechicken
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