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The Keystation 49 is a eKeys 49, NOT a MK-449C.
Finally apple has realized that pro and semi-pro audio is a market they should be in. I have been waiting for a low-cost, musician friendly, recording and composing application for years now and it looks as if Apple have delivered.
can't wait to give it a try.
Agreed, though why are they billing this as a pro app? Us pros are already using DP, PT, Logic . . . guess it's just marketing speak?
Will pros use it? Well, absolutely. The same as we use iDVD, iMovie, etc., etc.! Okay, perhaps I've answered my question.
It is great that GarageBand includes http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/play.html! Any word if these virtual instruments are AudioUnits, and if so, can they be used by other comparable applications like http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://www.apple.com/software/pro/logic/?
I'm kinda' jealous that my expensive Logic didn't include the same nice sounding samples that Apple threw into GarageBand, part of a $49 iLife suite
my burning question is does GarageBand support Firewire audio interfaces?
Any word yet if GarageBand supports Firewire audio interfaces? Does Soundtrack?
Does anyone know if GarageBand (or even Soundtrack for that matter) supports ReWire? I'm guessing "no" since they're trying to fill that same niche, but it would be nice to still be able to use my Reason bits.
Apple really seems to be spreading their audio assets far and wide with this addittion. It would be nice to see them consolidate the technology into Soundtrack and focus on adding real pro level features (ala REX/Rewire Support, a true mixing GUI, etc.). IMHO, Soundtrack 2.0 should have been the announcement, oh and we added AU Instruments/Synths and a record button....sounds logical (pun)...and the price could be reduced with a reduced sample set (LE version). They are most likely licensed samples anyway, demanding the bulk of the cost.
Their approach, though, has added several ideas to the audio world that are long overlooked in their excellent sample browser and the use of metadata. The Loop tuner would be a healthy alternative to Recycle if the app could support REX format, too.
They have all the makings for an effective Pro-loop based arrangement tool that could compete with Live and Reason. Seemless integration to the Logic environment would make a compelling package , standalone for others whose needs are in the Video market and an LE for the kids.
$49?
I'm in.
I already have soundtrack and FCP...
I'm still in...java script:emoticon(':D')
It doesn't need ReWire - Jack Tools is here!
http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://www.jackosx.com
Cheers!
I don't think their going to make Garageband so great that it would compet with their leading pro audio (Logic). I didn't read anything about "universal" plugins like AU, RST, etc. It just mentioned a few "preset" effects like the guitar amps, etc..
I think it is a great program, especially for the price and it fills a middle market for those who don't want to spend the money, time, desire to jump to Logic/PT.
Even with that said, the whole midi virtual instrument thing was amazing and that alone i think makes the product worth 50 bucks.
I don't think you guys really understand how big of a deal GarageBand is (and I mean to paid musicians whom already own pro audio software). I produce downtempo electro-acoustic psychedelic (bassy breaks stuff) tracks for a local label with Reason, Ableton Live and Logic, but none are as sweet (or should I say organic) looking as GarageBand for recording and editing tracks (Reason actually looks quite good for a synth/sampler/effects rack : yet visually lacks when one is editing within the track mode). Why should I even mention to you how good looking GarageBand is? Why you say? Simple. If it excites me to work with a good looking peice of software - which I admit - it does very much (appealing to my eye - with incredible ease of use and superior workflow), it will inevitably inspire my work. And if it inspires my work, in any sort of creative way, I would gladly pay far more than the small price of $49 for it! Now granted, it does not do all the things that Live, Reason or Logic does, but by the looks of it.... I think it will do what it does better than anything else I've seen. GarageBand should be able to listen to (and record in stereo, I believe) a firewire enabled piece of hardware (like Yamaha's brand new o1x) with the knobs controlling any enabled AudioUnit plugins (in real-time of course). Will the AudioUnit capability within GarageBand allow me to use mastering plugins (not to mention 5.1 mixing)? How many AudioUnit plugins can run in real time while simply monitoring (or recording) my 12 String & vocals? Can you pre-record midi to the AudioUnit plugin effects while monitoring guitar or vocals while jamming to a pre-recorded piece (to provide dub-like capabilities)? Will GarageBand listen to more than one midi device at any given time (keyboards, mixer & envelope pedals)?
Obviously I’m not sure on some of these paticular details, but I’ll find out soon enough. I must remind myself this is Apple’s first release of this product, and updates will inevitably follow!
The fact it will seemlessly integrate with Soundtrack (when scoring within FCP 4), plays and records at 24bit 96khz (I think – haven’t found the pdf on it yet – Soundtrack does - so GarageBand should), uses AudioUnits, comes with a large amount of high quality (better than CD quality) samples (some of the best I’ve ever heard by the way) and comes with 100 software instruments… well… it’s a steal (to say the least) at $49. Comparable software goes for hundreds of dollars more (not to mention the fact you get to upgrade your iDVD/ iMovie/ iPhoto as well). Not to mention the interface of those other apps are half as clean (re: slick) as GarageBand. Just check out the detailed “wood” side panels on the main mixer window. Don’t you think it adds a warm touch? I like details like that. Thank you Apple!
I’ll be buying it… I’ll also be upgrading to the “Jampack” available for it as well.
GarageBand is the start of something incredible, for professional and amateur musicians alike…
End of story.
P.S. - By the way, the difference between Soundtrack (which I've used) and Garageband is GarageBand will listen to (and record) midi signals, and has more editing features (along with virtual/software instruments). It will work seemlessly with Soundtrack when one is working with a FCP4 project. You would first do your composing within GarageBand (you could even use your Soundtrack loops if you wanted - 1000's are available with FCP4), then you would import your entire composition into Soundtrack - for final sequencing within the project that you're working on inside FCP4! GarageBand is far more powerful for creating original compositions than Soundtrack, but you will use Soundtrack within FCP4 to sync it up to your video timeline. Apple has hit another home run!
How does anyone know what the editing capabilities of GarageBand are? The web site doesn't mention anything about editing MIDI, accessing CC data, etc. It only talks about building pieces by playing in MIDI data (no step entry method mentioned) or recording in audio, or using the included loops. There are no screen shots of any editing windows or tools. Is there support for building songs from sequences?
If a user is not able to edit MIDI data, then I don't believe it will be of any interest to anyone who uses any of the pro or hobbyist apps that currenty exist in terms of MIDI sequencing.
It seems unlikely that it is that limited, but how can anyone know in the absence of any other information?
Tim
Well, the way iDVD finally transformed DVD Studio Pro, I would bet that Logic7 will be transformed by Garageband
Garageband should work just fine with external fw-interfaces.
(my MOTU-828 so far works with every application I've tried it)
Cheers: Dixiechicken
The more I think about it, the more I am feeling this will be a very big deal for pro music on the Mac. From Apple's site:
"And that’s only the tip of the iceberg. GarageBand’s Audio Unit support allows you to add hundreds of effects and recording tools."
It looks like you can use http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://www.fxpansion.com/product-auadapter-main.php to get VST synths (including drum machines) into GarageBand. With that, the possibilities are endless. Garageband could prove to be a great hub where you plug in lots of different media. Here's hoping anyway.
I'm looking forward to getting it. I used to record on Cubasis 2, which did pretty much everything I needed it to do, but since it doesn't work on OS X, I've been waiting for a good (cheap!) app to come along.
I couldn't find any mention of MIDI output which is a shame 'cos I've got some nice bits of kit sat next to me. If we keep our fingers crossed they might upgrade it in the future. Looks good too.
One complaint though - GARAGEBAND? What kind of name is that? That has to be the worse names ever for a piece of software. What about iStudio, or iTrax or something even remotely credible. I know Jobs is a bit of an old hippy, and the US doesn't have the same sort of dance music culture as Europe, but dear oh dear...
Yay, no one is sure of the feautures of the GarageBand and as Bass2001 said we should wait to got some information from :love:Expo, but it sounds like a great software and every musician should try it out, as it's not so expensive.
And it's obvius that Apple didn't released many information so that people like us keep on talking about... It's all marketing...
Why is Garageband not a free download?
I would imagine this forum (and this site) will get a lot busier because of GarageBand. That's how I got here. I had visited a few times, but finally registered when I got excited about GB.
Here's what really strikes me about the whole GB idea:
Creating an environment where music making is more accessible.
To me, that's a great concept. Sure, there's a lot of folks who are "Pros" and "Amatuers", but it seems a bigger deal to me when you can involve a lot more people who have never really experienced the satisfaction of playing or making music.
Here's an epiphany:
Think of all the great music you make with your gear now. Now think about what it would be like if all you ever did was just listen.
Digital photography, video productions... sure I don't know as much as the Pros, but I can at least have just as much fun in the creation process. But coming from the standpoint of a professional musician, think of how amazing this can be if Apple is able to turn some of those "just listeners" into music makers.
That's it for me.
Sorry... That was one too many epiphany's. The system kept asking for my login but didn't verify that I had posted.
My bad.
I personally feel Apple are trying to move Logic into more of it's own brand. I think this release of Garageband will eventually evolve into the new Logic.
The fact they pulled logic from the PC market will have anoyed a lot of PC musicians and I believe a full rebranding and repackaging of such a successful product will help further Apples grip on glbal domination.
They want to be big, and they have every right to be. They make the best products and market them to the people who need them the most.
I can't wait to find something that allows my creativity to flow easier and quicker.
Anyone wanting to know more about GarageBand can take a look at the http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@28.aw4WavA1rm7.0@.599f0139 of the Apple Forum; in particular http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@191.8v2Ca82UrbK.0@.599f1710 which has some more information about what GarageBand can and cannot do. (I still haven't found any screenshots yet that feature MIDI note editing.)
Overall I'm still impressed with GarageBand despite its limitations, though a full review will no doubt reveal even more.
Trust me, I'll be taking an in-depth look at Garage Band the day it arrives, so stay tuned.
I'm a little nervous about what Apple may NOT have supported, just given their history with iLife. I certainly think it'll support any CoreAudio hardware, however. We'll see what they've done. I just hope they don't cripple it to try to sell more copies of Logic, because I think truthfully they'll boost sales of Mac and Logic by making it as full-featured as they can.
We'll see in just a few short days!
I just came from the Apple Store, and it will not be in the stores or be shipped untill the 16th.... man am I bummed.
For GarageBand do I need a G4 600Mhz or faster. On the Apple Website its G3 600Mhz or faster. Someone please clarify...
I work for "the man" and he hasn't figured out that MAC/APPLE is the future...so I'm using a PC...however...I'm excited about "GarageBand" - any word that this product will be available for PC users?
No word at all… and save iTunes Apple maintains a desert for a reason… Also, PCs have a bunch of softs in the same sibling. It wouldn't be an easy move.
If I were on a PC, I'd probably pick up something like Fruity Loops, instead: http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://www.fruityloops.com/
It lacks GarageBand's simplicity and elegance, but it also does a whole lot GB won't do, even in FL's lighter versions.
And if it's the looping capabilities you're excited about, and you want realtime live looping, go with Ableton Live. Yes, it's $200 more expensive than GB. But if you want to experiment in realtime, improvisationally, with loops, Live is your only choice -- and it's cross-platform.
Since Apple stopped Windows development of Logic, I'm pretty sure there will never be a Windows version of GarageBand.
I think GarageBand is an amazing app, however, if you don't own a keyboard, you have to stick to the loops. I would suggest that you get the keyboard, THEN JamPack, because you only get a few thousand more loops, whereas with a Piano-like interface, you can create your own. There are hundreds of instruments to choose from, and the keyboard adapts to each one, assigning a not/sound to each key.
GM
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