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Posted by: News Fri 30 Jul 2010, 16:21

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Revolutionary New Macs!

Posted by: soif Fri 30 Jul 2010, 16:21

We had already over 20 comments for this news , on the french side of MacMusic, in less than 12h.

Most of our audience share the same opinion! What about you guys?

Posted by: cidsinga Fri 30 Jul 2010, 17:58

Nice well balanced commentary, :-( please get your facts right!

Posted by: Pighood Fri 30 Jul 2010, 18:21

That is sarcasm. I recognize that.

Posted by: bobborries Fri 30 Jul 2010, 18:53

Show me a PC that's equivalent for 1/3 the price and I'll buy it right now.

Posted by: fishboisfo Sat 31 Jul 2010, 11:59

Then don't buy one . . . all these PC praising, equivocating individuals that have some huge gripe against Apple . . . 3 words: DON"T BUY ONE ! If you're just gonna gripe about price, or how much better and more stable Windows 7 is, or how much "better" ASIO is then just stay the heck out of the Apple Store and go stand in line and mull around with the hoards at Best Buy and the like. Just shut the hell up about how much you dislike Apple products. We're only at 8% of the market ( realistically ). Go make music on a IBM Slate or some giant leaky water-cooled Compaq tower or what ever the hell it is . . . That ought to keep you busy

Posted by: Aramis55 Sat 31 Jul 2010, 13:37

I do not agree at all with this kind of way to give us news .
Facts is what we need .
Please , I do not need your sarcasms .

Aramis55

Posted by: Aramis55 Sat 31 Jul 2010, 14:25

Well , I have been again on the Dell site and I think that the person that issued this text about the new Mac should quit !

Aramis55

Posted by: soif Sat 31 Jul 2010, 17:09

Whaou, telling something against Apple current policy seems to be crime, theses days. You are treated to go F.Y. and buy a PC, to make imediate proof of what you're daring to say, to not even think by yourself and express your own opinion, or even to quit immediatly. Why not the capital punishment?

Here is a 15 minutes search at online stores

Quad core computer
- ASUS ASRock X58 Extreme3................182e
- Intel W3530 processor .............................275e
- ATI Radeon HD 5770 - 1 Go ..................130e
- Crucial 3GB of 1066 MHz DDR3................90e
- Samsung 1TB Serial ATA 3Gb/s .............. 60e
- Pioneer DVR-116D.......................................25e
- LaCie PCI (3 x FireWire 800) .....................60e
- http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Composants/Boitiers-PC/Boitiers-PC-sans-alimentation/KONEKTIKPC/MP-71B88M803370-Boitier-Pc-Moyen-tour-Atx-Mac-Style-noir.htm......................................41e
- 500W powersupply .....................................30e

Total 883e
Equivalent MacPro 2400e

===> Ratio 2,72

But please note that for this price i also have 6Gb SATA, USB3 ports, eSata III ports, 1 more PCI port, a 20x superdrive, a SPDIF output , and 8 audio outputs....

Now take the fact that I dont order million of computer parts like Apple do; That I've only spent 15 min to gather theses datas; and balance with the fact that I didn't counted OSX.... and you are near the 3 ratio, if not more....

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May be the english translation was not as accurate as it should have been (translating irony is really difficult, i'm sorry), but that was not really the point of my news, so please don't argue me that the mac has blblabla... vs this Asus motherborad or vs this computer case or vs this or this....This is simply not the point!

The real point is that this computer is almost the same as http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/stats/mac-pro-quad-2.66-specs.html. 4 years in the computer world, it's a Jurassic age!
Here in Europe the 2010 MacPro is even a bit more expensive than it was in 2006....
I bet the real world benchmarks won't show more than a 10-15% difference (2,66GHz vs 2,8GHz with a faster? bus)

Should we say it's normal, that Apple did not significantly update its Pro computers since 4 year !
Do you really think that this new one is faster/ sexiest or really more advanced than the good old one from 2006?
What has really evolved, except Apple's margin?

Is it only me, or didn't you notice that since the iPod/iPhone/iPad mania at Apple, both OSX and Apple computers didn't really evolved. At least, they did not evolved as fast as we were used to...

But if you want to blindly applause at Apple even when they stagnate, that's perfectly your right: reading the Apple marketing blabla on their site should stay you totally informed.

Otherwise lets talk about this, peacefully
If you think there was still an exciting innovation (for the Mac or OSX ) at Apple since 4 year, please express your point of view!

Posted by: melenko Sat 31 Jul 2010, 20:56

Sarcasm or an HONEST point of view of what's happening?????
We, at Macmu are for the majority real Apple's fans, since a long time (about 10 years what does concern myself)ago.
And today, wanting to evolve, I look to those MAC's PRO.
There's nothing that interessed me at all, at that PRICE!
I won't buy any Mac ever if nothing changes.
No new technologies, just a so-called jump in performances. Take a look at un-official benchmarks to be sure of that.
Anyway, there's something else perturbing me at the time, and that is the commercial- industrial strategy of Apple.
Everybody knows the commercial success of the iPhone, the iPod, and now the iPad.
Apple's market's parts jumped from 3 to 8 %, in a very short time, I can assure you I was absolutely proud of that.
BUT, making profits would prompt Apple to not forget what made a real difference.
These days, the "feeling" plus facts is that Apple seems to leave behind what made their success,
faithfulness an loyalty of their first customers, professionals of every board, based on an attractive slogan...
THINK DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!!
Those pros and amateurs payed a lot to remain in contact with the brand.
And , for a part of them, maybe all of them, they feel blurted.
Hardware, even if it brings lower benefits, remains a crucial vector to spread softwares.
Apple do not have to count on a decade of development of the commercial secure products (for a while),
that are the i... series products.
History tells us a brand forgetting their essential and differentiating, fundamental targets and culture would be
in danger a day or another.
I dreamed of an Apple/ AC aware of what's going on, and having "visions".

Aramis 55, it's strange you subscribed to Macmu's fora, just a few days ago, after the news!!!!!!!!!
As if by chance!

Posted by: lepetitmartien Sun 1 Aug 2010, 10:37

To put things in other words, where are:
- USB 3
- eSATA
- more than 3 PCI ports
- sexy recent graphic cards (even if I don't buy the gaming extravaganza)
- SATA 6g
- Firewire 1600 (urgent)
- Firewire 3200 (urgent)
- Lightpeak (something _new_ for a change)

Plus, marketing at Apple has decided that the base of the Mac Pro (middle tower, 3 PCI) is fine for most professionals. When you move around and read, or if you're a pro, you know there need for 2 different kinds of expandable pro computer:
- a big tower, with lots of drives, and way more of 3 PCI, for audio, video.
- a small tower with few drives and 3 PCI at most for DTP.

It'll suit uses and needs way more (that's more earth friendly btw) and will make the audio/video pros happy, if Apple still wants to save what's still part of its pro domain. Plus, do the current range of Mac pro make people dream? No. Because there's nothing that sexy about them. You can't be sexy if nothing is new, not even talking about groundbreaking. There's not even included the standards that are becoming the de facto one in the win world! I'm a mac user/mac fan for more than 20 years, and right now, if I want to see a dream machine, I have to imagine my dream hackintosh! It's desperating and dispiriting.

Remember, Apple lost some pro markets years ago for the same reasons, like 3D, or a large part of video pros: not enough PCI slots, CPU for kiddies (ok it wasn't apple fault but…) lack of expansions, price… If, as a pro, you can have a production tool at a price you can have 2 of them for the price of one at Apple, and that you need 2 (usual situation in 3D modeling/rendering) what will you do if the software is working in both environments and stable?

I'm very happy Apple makes a lot of money with phones and pods and pads. I'm very happy with the finances of Apple being what they are. I'm finding the iPad very sexy and useful for some uses (but certainly not magic, step down from Disney, it's a tool, with a great GUI/user experience), but for creative pro, we're walking in the desert of sexyness. And technical sexyness is what makes the computer sell, and even more, be productive for years.

Posted by: thedomus Mon 2 Aug 2010, 13:36

The sarcasm made me laugh... nice one!

Apple definitely need to give us audio peeps some love, for most project studios those prices are crazeee.... oh and USB3 and maybe faster Firewire.... or Lightpeak... maybe rackmounted 2 or 3u like the Xserve... and ...and...

Posted by: melenko Mon 2 Aug 2010, 20:29

Take a look at this:
http://nav.440network.com/out.php?mmsc=forums&url=http://macperformanceguide.com/